Are You Being Manipulated?

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello Rye, welcome back to the Survival and Basic Badass Podcast.

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, today I wanted to talk about psychological experiments.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I was talking to Kevin and I was like, I don't really want to get too dark.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's December and people are thinking happy things and rainbows and sunshine.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I want things to be uplifting and positive.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So I like that.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_04]: But man, it turns out governments throughout history, including our own, have or the US

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: government, if you're somewhere else, but have been a little shady in the past.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And I kind of want to talk about one, how easily people are manipulated and two,

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_04]: what are governments are actually willing to do to its people for their own

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_04]: gratification because people are crazy or whatever it is.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll try and avoid the darkest aspects of it.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Just know that their governments throughout history have been pretty willing to be pretty dark.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Kevin, you have some disturbing stories.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Some like what is our government really willing to do?

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Well, I mean, you got to keep up with the Joneses.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that was the main thing during the Cold War.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of like weird stuff that was coming out.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, the precursors to the CIA started some some projects

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that were a little bit a little bit out there because because they thought

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: the Soviets were doing it.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It turns out the Soviets weren't really doing it.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, they had to they had to get ahead.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So don't worry, the Japanese were doing it.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll help you out with that one in a minute.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But so they got they basically were

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_03]: they had a bunch of prisoners of war during prisoners of war

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_03]: during like the Korea, Vietnam, during, you know, where they thought

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: they were brainwashed, right?

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They had been, you know, basically tortured and said,

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to say this stuff on camera.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And they said that stuff on that's really how you brainwash somebody

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: as you torture them until they do what you tell them.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So they believe it. Yeah.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So the CIA started doing some like weird stuff.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And I know we've all talked.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We've all heard about MK Ultra and and all the weird experiments

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: they did with LSD and different stuff.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The CIA back to Harvard study run by Henry Murray.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, what they did was they took they took Harvard students

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and they they had like a three year running

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: study where they did like mock interrogations,

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: blinding spotlights in people's faces and like

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, that sort of stuff.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Participants so they had the participants write essays

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that were like basically outlined their view on life.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It does sound like torture.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Well, it sounds awful.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But what they did was they had guys then take that essay,

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: read it over, you know, like professional interrogators.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they would have the the person sit in

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and they'd pick apart their whole worldview and like,

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, argue, argue every little point and tell like,

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, you can't defend something 100 percent,

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: especially against somebody that has, you know, spent time

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: building up an argument and has your view in front of them.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you've written it all down and just like really fucked up stuff.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So one of the one of the participants

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that later became famous was a 16 year old like a boy genius.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Skipped sixth grade, 11th grade went to Harvard or 16.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Promising future.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Promising future.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He had he had a he was working on a doctorate in mathematics.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Really brilliant guy.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: His name was Ted Kaczynski. Oh, sure.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they ripped his whole worldview

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: apart with this sort of stuff.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And over time later on turns out he decided to

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: actually make a manifesto.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you read the Unabomber's manifesto,

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: it's hard to punch holes in it.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty thorough.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's he had to be, you know,

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: defend what he predicted was going to happen, actually did happen.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're living in the dystopia that he thought was going to happen.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So just to bring that up, Ted Kaczynski did just die recently.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he had cancer. Yeah.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know him as the Unabomber.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The Unabomber, right. Right.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Another famous guy that was involved in some of these types of experiments,

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: different experiment altogether.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But I wouldn't drive you crazy enough that you would like tattoo

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: a swastika on your forehead or anything.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Right? Well, yeah, maybe.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe. So Charlie Manson was also involved

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_03]: in some government run experimentation.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people don't know this.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all like just coming to light now, you know,

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: that's not wasn't previously known.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But Manson's parole officer was a guy named Roger Smith.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Strangely enough, his parole officer was also

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: had a doctorate from Berkeley, which is weird.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He was part of a federally funded

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: programming program researching LSD and its effect effects on people.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't I mean, they did.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't always just drug random people with LSD.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they did that also.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a lot better if you can do that

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: with people that you have control over, like prisoners and things like that.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And you could kind of teach them how to how to manipulate people

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: by manipulating them and giving them LSD.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, Charlie Manson was in prison a lot.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he wasn't he was a bad guy since jump, you know,

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: he was raised in a brothel and he was, you know,

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: he was probably fucked up because his mom was on drugs when she was pregnant.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he was fucked up when he was born.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But it got worse and worse.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And they kept letting him out of prison, even though he was breaking his parole.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Because they were trying to see the effects with the LSD.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was one of the one of the main subjects.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Turns out he also used LSD to manipulate other people.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. And yeah, his thing was

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: he was trying to start a race war.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: His idea was to start a race war between black people and white people.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when the black people all killed off the white people,

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: he could like become their king, you know,

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_03]: goal. Obviously, he was out of his fucking mind.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Whether it was that job.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But they said that that

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that the Charlie Manson murders ended like the hippie movement

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: because the hippies that gave him all these crazy ideas,

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but not not the CIA, not the government.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, people get.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I mean, it's easy to blame blame stuff on, you know,

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: on the hippies and the weirdos and the freaks and the anti, you know, war

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: losers and things like that when really you're the asshole that did it.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But whatever.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, he's been fucking with people for a long time

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and creating monsters, really, you know.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. So, you know, you had touched on earlier about how, you know,

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: it was kind of a race to who could be the most like disturbing or whatever.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And like you said, maybe not everybody was actually participating in the race.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: But so the Japanese in 1925 were like

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: they had a guy who was the actually he was the.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: What is the not the attorney general.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: What's the medical one?

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: The.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Surgeon general. Surgeon general.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was like a surgeon general of Japan.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, hey, you know, biological and psychological warfare

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: is going to kind of be the future.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And we need to get ahead of this because they had just had World War Two

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and the Geneva convention thing where they said, hey,

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: try not to use mustard gas on people.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: That's bad. Right.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And they were like, this is going to be a thing.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: They're saying no, but we're all in.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. So they came up with something called Unit 731.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Now it turns out the Japanese loved to screw with the Chinese

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and they hated the Japanese.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: The Japanese were actually at the time,

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: technologically very advanced, which they kind of still are over the Chinese.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would just go in and take over towns and be like,

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: hey, what happens if we release the plague here?

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe let's see what happens.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would throw a bunch of, you know,

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: lice ridden mice that had the plague and all this stuff.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And oh, look, they all died.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they'd go in in these creepy suits and be like, oh,

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, look, we can see all the, I think I had.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't put up the pictures, but they had some like pretty scary looking stuff.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But they did all kinds of twisted stuff that I really didn't want to get into.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But they did underground tunnels and cells.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And they say that somewhere between 3,000 and 30,000 people were studied

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and zero of them came out at the end.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, none of them survived.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: None of them survived.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: But you know, I mean, obviously that's a big gap.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's the thing when you're doing like the secret murder

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and that kind of thing, you don't really, you know,

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: documented as well as now the Nazis, they documented everything.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They were like, let's make movies.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's show what happens.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's crazy.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But I kind of want to shift it down to kind of the lighter side.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So that basically sets the stage for governments are willing

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: to do bad things to their people.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not exactly above reproach.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's why I feel that it really relates to the whole prepping

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast and stuff is you kind of, a lot of people like to go through life

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: with the whole, my government's here to take care of me.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that that's kind of the idea, the mindset

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that a lot of people seem to approach government with.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like that maybe you need to rethink that paradigm.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, this next section, what I'm thinking is

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of wanted to talk about how easily we are manipulated

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and how much that, you know, they can affect our worldview

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and our outlook and that kind of thing.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's one study that kind of stood out in the 60s

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_04]: called the Blue Eyes Brown Eyes Experiment.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, this was actually just a third grade teacher who was like,

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_04]: this is what I want to do.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: She it wasn't like a big college funded whatever,

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's one of the big studies that in psychology classes

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: they kind of go back to because it, you know, so it doesn't get too dark.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Right? It's third grade.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, how bad could it be?

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So basically, I remember third grade, it was awful.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: In the third grade, this teacher was like, hey, look,

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, because it was actually the experiment was done

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the day after Martin Luther King was shot.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: OK. And or assassinated, I guess we can go with.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And she kind of she had a class.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It was all white kids and she wanted to explain to them

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and talk to him about, you know, hey, this is, you know,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: understand racism and that kind of thing.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And and how else do you kind of, you know, get there?

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But human nature, you know?

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So she says, look, half the kids in the class

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: or a percentage have blue eyes and then the other kids,

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: they have brown eyes and I as the teacher have blue eyes.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So we all know that people with blue eyes are superior

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: to people with brown eyes, obviously, even though their results of incest

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: were blue eyes science.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever science has shown that people

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_04]: with blue eyes are more intelligent.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So we all know that.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And obviously, so the people with blue eyes

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: should be the first to go to lunch.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you're going to want seconds, I don't think the brown eyed kids

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: can get seconds at lunchtime.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be just the blue eyes kids.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and, you know, and there would be things like this.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: They actually the only the blue eyes kids could use the water fountain,

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: whereas the brown eyed kids had to use paper cups in the back,

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, in the back of the classroom.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But at first, so this is the whole point of the study is that first

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: they protested and, you know,

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_04]: but once she started throwing in the science says and, you know,

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and it basically ended up the kids went right along

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and they would treat each other like crap and they would do horrible things to each other.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And my point is governments kind of seem to be creating that whole class system.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: They do seem to really put a lot of effort into separating us.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think like as easily as you see that people are manipulated

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think governments see that it's very easy for the government

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: to see and manipulate people and, you know, it's clear and they know about it.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. So and we've already seen they're willing to do things,

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: hopefully not on such a large scale, but, you know, who knows?

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: There was another study called the Milgram experiment.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_04]: This is back in nineteen sixty three.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And they wanted to test the obedience of authority.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Milgram's experiment, nineteen sixty three.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yale, they wanted to see if you guys were paying attention and if you do what you're told.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So they basically it was three people.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It was the guy in charge, right?

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_04]: The experiment runner and there was an actor

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: who was told that when he walks in, he's going to be the victim.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. This is the.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But he knew ahead of time.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He knew what's going on as part of the experiment.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. And then there's a guy who's going to be the teacher.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Right now. And these were actual teachers that they had.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. And they said, look, we need you to, you know, come in and be a part

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: of this study. And they said, look, there's a bunch of pieces of paper

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_04]: written out over on that table.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Go pick one up.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll decide who's going to be the teacher and who's going to be the student.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: They're like, all right.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So all the papers actually said teacher on it.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But the guy picks it up.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm going to be the teacher.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_04]: The other guy picks one up and it says teacher.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, oh, look, I'm going to be the student.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So right there, there's some manipulation going on.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: They already know what's up.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. So anyway, so the guy goes in a second room

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and he's the experiment is that they're going to ask him

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: word association questions like.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Spaghetti and dinner, right?

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: They go together kind of thing, things like that.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And and they ask them different questions.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Now they tell the teacher, look, we're going to see how what kind

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: of an effect it would have if you shock the person.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You might learn faster if they have that fear, right?

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: They might go along.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, the way they had it set up, it was going to go up 15 volts

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_04]: every time like it was going to get time.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You did an answer wrong.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Now they actually did it was going to go up to 450 volts.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: That's pretty significant.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been nailed to a 480 and it freaking hurts.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like you're like, yeah.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's definitely something to wake you up, man.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It wakes you up.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So they go through it and they start going.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And now the responses are kind of like pre-recorded.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It was it was it was pretty crazy.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So they would ask some questions and, you know, as the guy got

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: them wrong, he'd get a shock.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would actually hear, I don't know what a shocking

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: noise sounds like.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was like buzzer.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you'd hear like a little buzz vibration kind of thing.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you would hear the guy scream.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So as the experiments going on, he's like, ow, you know,

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and the guy would like really, you know, react to it.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's getting more dramatic.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, all right, look, I just need this to stop.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me out.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me out of here.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's over.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm done.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm done.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So the teachers would start to get uncomfortable and be like,

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: all right.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the guy running the experiment would be like, you

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: know what?

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's let's just keep going.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you'll be all right.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's just keep going.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would keep going.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it turned out that 65% of the people

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: the teachers got to the maximum 450 volts and just kept going.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And the guy running the experiment was, was told, you know,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: you should try and push him at least four more times, you know.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So any time the teacher would object, they had it, they

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: had four responses.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: The final responses, you have to keep doing this.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you back out then, then the experiment was over.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_04]: As soon as you back out, it was over.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And so they actually, they asked the people, the teachers,

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, at the end and they're like, you know, how do

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: you, you feel about this?

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this going to mess with you psychologically and whatever

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: that you did it?

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And believe it or not, the answer was, to be honest, I am

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: so glad I was a part of this experiment because I realized

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: like how much I'm willing to do, like how messed up I am.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and but again, they repeated the experiment over

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and over again because they couldn't believe the results.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was consistent between 61 and 65 turns out a lot of people

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: when authority tells a figure, tells them to do something

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: that they don't feel comfortable doing, they'll just do it.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's bad.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: There was another one, Harlow's monkeys.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: They wanted to prove whether, whether we just like our mom or

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever because she gives us food or do we like her because

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: even though this room was just monkeys, it was, it felt

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of fucked up.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was fucked up.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So basically what happened is they set up two mother figures

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and one was just made out of wire and wood.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It was shaped like a monkey, but it was just shaped like a

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_04]: machine.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_04]: It was wire and wood.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it wasn't even like nice at all.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But it had bottles, right?

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the other one was made out of like terry cloth and it

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: was soft and it was whatever, but still not a real monkey,

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And both could provide milk and they were trying to prove

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, whether you want something nurturing or

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: something not.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And the idea would be that, you know, you go into, to who

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_04]: do you go for comfort?

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And to be honest though, as the experiment went on, whenever

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: they would scare the monkeys or do anything, they would

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: always go to the soft, nice one for comfort.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And it showed that there's kind of more to your love

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: than just the hand that feeds me.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, it's the hand that feeds me and gives me softness.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The wire wood monkey was the only one that had food.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The terry cloth when they took the food away from it.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So it would always go to the wire monkey to get the food,

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the wire mom, but it always always go when it was scared,

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it would always go to the softer monkey.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I mean, it goes to show that like, you know,

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: you can raise somebody in isolation, they're going to

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: end up fucked up, you know?

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You were like we're family oriented animals, you know?

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So you kind of have to give your kids a little bit of attention.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It turns out you can't just beat the shit out of them,

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: keep them locked in the room all the time.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, the disturbing comments.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: See, this is the kind of audience that we have that I have

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: to worry about.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's the whole problem.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about the Stanford Prison Experiment for a minute.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, what happened?

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So Stanford 1971, 24 middle class university students were

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: selected to take part in a simulated jail environment to

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_03]: examine the effects of social setting and social roles in

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: individual psychology and behavior.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, they took 12 of the 24 students and made them

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: guards randomly.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: 12 students were the prisoners.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It was supposed to last two weeks.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: People got people got fucking crazy, though real quick.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Things went downhill real fast.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what's so weird is how quickly we turn, you know, and.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and become a little more disturbing.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, six days is all it was all it lasted before things.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: They had to stop it because I guess they said two thirds.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That would have been, you know, nine of the 12 people.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Became like sociopaths, more or less, you know, like sadists.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: They enjoyed inflicting pain in it.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're doing things just to be fucked up, just to

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: be nasty, you know, and it got worse and worse real fast.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it goes to show like all those, all those

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Nazis that said, oh, I was only following orders.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I were only, you know, was only doing what I was told to.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You're doing really fucked up stuff to people, but somebody

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: told me to do it.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So right.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of, you know, one of the things at the end of

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: the Milgram experiment was they said, look, you know, why did

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: you keep doing it?

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, because you told me to.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And the guy who, you know, the experimenter is like, yeah,

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: but you did it like you made the choice.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And people kind of had that realization.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not that they were completely, but they went along

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: with it.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's, I think, you know, came to, came to light after

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole Nazi thing, you know, a lot of the guys kind

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: of realized like, yeah, I did do it.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And I, but when you're in that group and going along,

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: the big thing was they, there was a Bobo the Dal

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: experiment and it kind of this really tracks with

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_04]: what you're saying.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And they had just this blow up doll that, you know, kids

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: had as a, as a, you know, as a toy.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a clown.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: A clown, you know, that was just like, looked like

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: a big bowling ball and it was air and you'd punch it.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, so the experiment was they would show the kids

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_04]: a video, like a cartoon kind of thing that they set

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: up that would have people, kids treating Bobo with

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: respect and affection.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they would show them videos of kids just brutal

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: beating it up and being insane on it.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would watch the video a couple of times.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And then afterward, you know, they'd put the kids

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_04]: in the room with the doll and you heard it up.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_04]: The ones that were told to kind of revere it or taught.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So I love it.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And wouldn't take care of it.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Would love it and take care of it.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But the ones who were shown the brutality were right away.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: That's normal and that's what we do.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And it just, I think it just kind of makes so clear

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_04]: how easily we can be manipulated or taught or pushed

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_04]: into something.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the thing when you have social media

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_04]: in you, you know, puts you in this like feedback loop

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: of, well, you go down this dark road a little bit.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, people who like that, like all this crazy stuff.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it just escalates and builds like your ear,

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: big horror movie fan.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: What is that supposed to say something bad about me?

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm just saying.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a killer.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: If this was all leading, this was all leading up to that.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm a nice guy.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm watching the Hallmark Channel.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm hmm.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And and you're, you know, over there watching Freddy Krueger.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why Chuck is so kind and affectionate.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: As you guys look at me and you're like Chuck, Ramos and

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Sunshad.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh huh.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Kevin, he's hardcore and rage.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But that kind of goes along with confirmation bias.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That's another one of the social, you know, studies

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: that have been done.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And basically cognitive bias, confirmation bias,

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_03]: it's tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: of one's existing beliefs or theories.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So basically, if you're, if you're a, you know, Republican

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_03]: conservative, you're going to, you're going to watch Fox News

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and if you're liberal, you might watch MSNBC.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But either way, you're going to take information that you

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: receive and you're going to interpret it to, to back up

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: your beliefs, you know?

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're racist and you see a black person doing something

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_03]: awful, you'd be like, oh, huh.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Tracks.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a black people.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you're not racist, you might think, oh,

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that person probably had a fucked up childhood.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I fucked up white people too, you know?

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, that doesn't stick in your memory the same way.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're, you know, a racist person, you're hard to have both

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: some things, right?

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're going to use things to back it up.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, I think that in the United States,

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the Second Amendment or the First Amendment has,

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: has really done a good job kind of keeping government

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_03]: manipulation down to a dull roar.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you go to some other countries like they have

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_03]: state sponsored media, the media is run by the government.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So the government tells you what, what information,

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, they want you to know.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't have to be true.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't have to be anything.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It could just be whatever they want you to know.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: There are buildings in a lot of the buildings in North

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Korea have radios playing states, state sponsored

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_03]: propaganda 24 hours a day.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you're living in one of these things, it's 24 hours a day.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to, you know, the North Koreans pumping you full

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: information at a certain point.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That's all you know.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all you understand.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the way you view the world.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Well, it's actually that, you know, I was kind of done

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: with my studies, but here, but I got one more that kind

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: of tracks with that is in 1995, they had a bunch of kids

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: come in and they got the parents together and they had the

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: parents tell childhood stories of their kids, you know, like,

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, oh, they went to camp and they did this and they

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: had a friend, Johnny and whatever.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would spend an afternoon with the young people,

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: the experimenters, and they'd say, Hey, remember that

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: time when you went to camp with Johnny and, you know,

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and oh yeah, you rode the boat and whatever.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was great.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And they'd be like, Oh yeah.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And they'd remember all these stories.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, then they'd slip in some like event that never happened.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_04]: They'd be like, Oh, but remember that one time you went to

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: that wedding and you like knocked over the whole wedding

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: cake and everyone was like, Oh my God.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And they were like, No, I don't remember that.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That didn't happen.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And they would say no, you know, no.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But then they'd bring them back the next day after

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: they slept on it and the next day they'd be like,

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, tell me about that wedding cake event again.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_04]: How did that happen?

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, I remember it was my friend Bobby's parents

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_04]: were getting remarried.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And when they got at the wedding and I went over

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and I was like dancing by the table and I fell

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and I knocked over the cake and like they had all kinds of details.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they'd fill in the details for all these things.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They'd come up and stuff like very.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Specific.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And and just, yeah, right in.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But whereas right away they didn't do it.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So but I guess the point is, is we really are, you know,

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: very easily conditioned or manipulated.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's funny.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I actually told my kids it was funny kind of right around.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It was somewhere around when like Hillary was running around

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_04]: and was like anti gay marriage and Obama was against gay marriage.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, when they had that election like right now, it's hard to believe.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you know, people were like that, you know, and whatever.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But I was like, you need to decide what your values are

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and write them down and why you believe them.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's OK that you change your mind in the future.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, yeah, everybody hates the Jews and we put them in camps

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's great and whatever.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And then later, you know, you don't just because that's your value

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: now doesn't mean you can't change and go, you know what?

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that was a bad idea.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: That that's OK.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's OK to change your mind.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Just know what you believe and how you're being manipulated

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and how things change.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's all I'm saying, because, you know, that's I was always

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm always paranoid and maybe I'm a jerk and a horrible person

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: in history will judge me later.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we already know that, right?

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I see Kevin Kevin's nod in his head right now going,

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_04]: yep, yep, I saw that.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But the idea is we've seen that like so people are like,

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, well, the whole transgender thing, you know, they're just doing their thing

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and whatever, and it's none of your business.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And and then but I'm like, and, you know, used to get these T-shirts

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: at the colleges when one of my college kids has a T-shirt that says love is love.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And that used to be like the man boy love or slogan.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. That was their thing was like, you can't, you know, deny who you,

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, love.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And now there's already hints in some of the more crazy left

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: leaning parts of the country of, well, you know, people who love kids.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's how can you deny what's right or wrong?

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, just because it's right for you doesn't mean it's right.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And you go down this road until you get so right.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can get in with where you were.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And you just yes, and, you know? Yeah.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, exactly.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But also, you know, and you get to the point where you're out of your fucking mind

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and everybody around you is agreeing with you and thinks you're the greatest person.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: You're so progressive.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You're so great because there are some people that are just born gay.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Some people are also born wanting to fuck kids.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's not there's nothing wrong with that.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That's OK, you know, but I need to put a disclaimer at the beginning of this

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: episode that maybe if you're thinking rainbows and sunshine, this isn't the episode.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, why are we doing this podcast today?

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Kevin, ruining the Christmas spirit, ruining the Christmas spirit.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're like the Grinch.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm hmm.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, but that's that's kind of the whole thing is it's just the whole

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_04]: mindset of people does shift with time and we're very easily swayed one way

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_04]: or another and into different things.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's really important that you know your values.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, people talk about, you know, sticking to your course,

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: whether that's, you know, religion and reading the Bible or whatever.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_04]: But your actual beliefs know what you stand for, you know, be firm in your

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: beliefs and what you care about and what you're willing to do.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Because, you know, I hate to say it.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the reason I guess that I pushed on with doing this episode

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_04]: was that, you know, so many people are like, well, I would never do these things.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So often people are like, look, I would never do these things.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll never go down that road.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And then as society, you know, and events change, we move right into these,

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, different darker places.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's so important that you hold fast to what's right

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and what's true and also don't get duped yourself.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's a dangerous road that this country is going.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember about yeah, I remember about 20 years ago in Dallas.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: They were putting up CCTV TV cameras and they were putting them up

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: just like filming public areas and people were outraged.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the police were going to use this as evidence of crimes and things

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: like that, people were outraged.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you don't have anything, if you're not committing any crimes,

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: you don't have anything to worry about.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's always the argument, right?

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, people are very upset.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're moving in on 1984.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, 20 years later, you'd be shocked to be out in public

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and not be recorded by something or someone.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go into a gas station, they're recording you.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go into any kind of store, you're on, you know,

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: you're on camera and they're recording you.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go in there, they're using.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, God, there's cameras here.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel safer.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're using facial recognition in Home Depot's Lowe's

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and Walmart to track your shopping history so that they can advertise

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_03]: directly to you more accurately to make you buy more shit.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And even even crazy.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Walmart, Walmart's so slick.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, I don't think you should be stealing firm stores

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and that kind of thing.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I am not as horribly offended.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you want to know how how much you're being manipulated and tracked,

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Walmart is tracking the minor shoplifting so they can connect them all together

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and with facial recognition so they can add it up to a felony.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when we hit the felony level, then they grab you.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they're like, yep, we got one.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Book them in and the whole thing.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's, you know, Uncle Whiskey likes shop naked.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we all have our dreams.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, I don't know what to say about that.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say some awful stuff.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to leave it at that.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, this is the point.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, people listen to this podcast and then their moral, you know,

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: compass goes down and down and down.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. We're ruining you for a sliding scale.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, luckily, I feel that the people that there's problems.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Luckily, I feel that the people that listen to this podcast

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: are already fucked up so it's not not that big of a deal.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Raised in the bar instead of lowering it.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, after getting out of the military, I'm like, well, you know,

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the bar's pretty, you know, pretty low and I'm raising it up.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. What are you going to do?

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: How many times have I heard, can you just try one sentence

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_04]: without using the word fuck?

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, listen here, motherfucker,

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I will fucking tell you that there's no fucking way that's going to happen.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, teach their own.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: So Merry Christmas with that.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, anyway, remember, you guys are probably

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: love your fellow.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Mary, exactly.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys are wondering what, uh, you know, what you might want for Christmas.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe what you want to get your significant other.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you need to head over to prepping bad ass.com and check out the

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: the gear section and see that new gear for your special someone

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: who loves the podcast and maybe needs some new, uh, new exciting stuff.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying something you might want to look into.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you want to support the podcast and get cool stuff

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_04]: like a bad ass coffee mug or a cool sweatshirt, cool T shirt.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think T shirt or mug.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we have sweatshirts by going to Patreon.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you go to Patreon, we have cool stuff.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I would also say you have questions, concerns, show ideas.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Things you want to hear about.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You can email us at prepping bad ass at gmail.com.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, stay safe.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Talk to you guys next week.

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