Bug Out Locations You Never Thought Of

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome back to the Survival and Basic Badass Podcast with Kevin and Chuck. Today we're going to talk about bug out locations. You guys have been listening to the show for a long time, you know I'm not really a big fan of bugging out.

[00:00:27] Bugging out is not my play because you can have so much more stuff stockpiled at your home and whatever. The bottom line is for some of us, bugging out is not an option. Or sorry, staying and hunkering down is not an option. And I think-

[00:00:46] Right, there's a lot of people that live in houses in areas that for work or whatever that aren't really ideal for when a situation gets a little out of hand. Exactly, exactly.

[00:00:59] So what happens is if you're in the city and sometimes to make money and live the life you want to live, then you'd need to live in the city. Maybe you like that fast, exciting.

[00:01:12] And I got to say, I want to live my life first before being a prepper. My goal isn't to just, oh, I'm going to survive in the apocalypse. Well, it turns out I want to survive right now. I want to enjoy and have a good life right now.

[00:01:30] And if what makes me happy is living in the city and enjoying cool things and going out to good restaurants and making big money and doing things, that's okay. If that makes you happy, that's what you should be doing. I honestly would rather not be around people.

[00:01:47] Living in a city sounds like my personal hell, but- It doesn't sound fun to me, but I get it. I get why some people want that. Some people really like the fast paced life.

[00:02:00] And I do think that our goal shouldn't be, oh, well, I'm going to survive the apocalypse. Well, how about we survive right now? Let's go ahead and enjoy life. So that said, I understand those of you who want to live in an environment that maybe

[00:02:17] is not the best prepper environment, right? To survive the end of the world. So we wanted to do an episode and talk about that. And here we are. So there's a whole bunch of things to consider bugging out.

[00:02:31] And I think, obviously in my mind, the first thing that comes to mind is I want to go stay with a friend or a relative. I want to go stay at Aunt Susie's Vineyard or whatever, somebody's farm, Uncle Tommy's farm. How about that?

[00:02:52] And whatever, you have the different places and options, or maybe, hey, my buddy has a farm. But the problem is you don't want to just be the uninvited guest who's like, yeah, I'm going to show up at- Right. Forget that guy.

[00:03:05] I'm going to eat all your food and- Yeah. Wait. No, you want to plan ahead and say, hey, this is going to be my plan. What would you want me to stockpile and bring here? And we can mutually help each other.

[00:03:17] And that's something you want to think about. But also, we're going to dig deep into a bunch of locations you may never have thought of. Although I feel like if you watched, what's that zombie series that people like, Walking Dead? The Walking Dead, yeah. They had-

[00:03:33] They had a lot of bug out locations, buses, and buildings, warehouses. Yeah, farms and prisons and everything, right? They covered everything in that one. They got kind of most of this stuff nailed down, but we're going to dig deep. All right.

[00:03:50] So there's a couple of things you want to look for first when you're choosing a bug out location. Obviously, you're going to need to either stockpile food there, and that means you need

[00:04:01] to be able to get it there in this apocalypse situation, or you need to have it staged there, or you need to be able to grow, hunt, or kill it there. We need access to water. That's very important.

[00:04:17] Shelter as far as climate control and just keeping warm and dry, and then shelter as far as security. You need to be able to defend it. Right. Concealment, cover, that sort of stuff. And also, you want to have a place that you can have something stored there.

[00:04:37] You know what I mean? You want to have a location where you can have your stores at. Also need to think about, well, hang on, escape routes. In case you're overrun, you need to be able to get out of there. But anyway, sorry. Go ahead. Yeah.

[00:04:56] Ideally, you would have a place that has good visibility from your location where you can watch other people, but they can't necessarily see you as easily. Low population would be a good idea. I don't think so, unless you've got an army.

[00:05:11] And you want to be able to secure the access points to the location, whether that's cutting a tree down over the road or whatever it is, a spot that you can keep your eyes on. Yeah.

[00:05:27] I was watching a bunch of videos and stuff related to this, get ideas, see what other people are talking about. And they were talking about, oh, if you had a big compound on a river, that would be great.

[00:05:39] And they said the cool thing with a river is you're only going to be attacked from people coming downriver. So you only have to prepare for one way because you can float down and be silent, but coming upriver, people aren't doing that unless they got motors and whatever.

[00:05:56] And then you hear those boats coming. And I was like, oh, that makes sense. That's a smart way to look at it. Yeah. Yep. Now, some of the stuff I have here. Now, obviously, most of the time, if you're bugging out, you should have a location.

[00:06:13] You should have a cabin within a couple hours of you. You should have your stores up there and you should be all set. But I mean, I think we're kind of talking in this situation about a scenario where you

[00:06:24] don't have a place to go, where you don't have some place set up and ready to party and you have to leave your primary location. I think you should think about these places and stick it around in your mind now.

[00:06:39] And that's why, you know, and kind of when you're out driving, when you're scoping things out and there's also things you can buy and whatever. A lot of people think, oh, I'm going to go to the national forest and hide out, you know, or something like that.

[00:06:52] A lot of people might have that same plan. But also, as we've mentioned on this podcast before, it's not easy to survive in the woods, especially when all the deer are gone and the, you know. Right. Right. Exactly.

[00:07:07] You know, I know I always hear a lot of stuff about, you know, big box stores. I go to the big box store. I think everybody's going to go to the big box store, at least until it's emptied out.

[00:07:17] You know, everybody's going to crash Walmart and, you know, steal as many supplies as they can before they're chased out by the next person with a gun. You know, one of the ones that I wouldn't have thought of, I was talking to a realtor

[00:07:35] and they had mentioned that, you know, there's hundreds of thousands of empty homes all over America and you can look them right up, right on the internet. You know, just zillow it and see where you want to go and where you're at and find an empty house.

[00:07:50] It's illegal. You know, it's breaking and entering, but it'll keep you out of the weather. There is definitely a thing to consider about the legality of it. I mean, you know, you don't want to be the guy whose plan is, I'm going to go kill people.

[00:08:10] Yeah, you didn't plan. That's not a good, I'm going to go steal somebody else's stuff and that's going to be good. But there's a lot of ways I think we can work our way in to a lot of places. But I think that is future planning.

[00:08:26] Planning ahead could get you into a lot of good survival, you know, things. You know, one thing like maybe you have a hunting lodge or sorry, like a shooting range that you guys go to and a lot of the shooting ranges have like a piece of hunting property

[00:08:42] with it. A lot of them even have, you know, I see with a pond that, you know, they have stocked with fish, that kind of stuff. What if you talk to the guys there and you know, what's the membership to a gun range

[00:08:56] for a year is probably not that much where it's something you could work in and you could start talking to everybody and say, Hey, look, how about we plan to bug out here?

[00:09:06] We all have guns and ammo and we can all stage some things and all invest a little bit to make it, you know, something that we can have access to drinking water, you know, something

[00:09:17] where, all right, we have a well, but what if we set up a pump or some kind of off-grid setup where if there was an EMP or something, we could still get water here for drinking.

[00:09:27] What if we all stockpiled some buckets of rice here for our family and we all agree to come here? See then it's not a bad play. Then you can go to that compound and whatever.

[00:09:38] And this is the same thing for you're part of an Elks Lodge or, you know, Mason's or you know, something. Now, obviously a lot of the Mason lodges and stuff are right in town and whatever, but

[00:09:50] you know, some of the, the, I see the Moose Lodge, the Elks Lodge, the different things. A lot of those are big buildings and you have a lot of members now, and these are members who know and kind of work with each other.

[00:10:04] Now if you guys agreed, then even staying in a somewhat populated area, you have mutual protection. Right. And if you plan ahead and you stage a little bit, you know, get people kind of on board. That's where you selling it to your buddies is a good thing.

[00:10:22] Now the other option is, turns out you can buy properties and warehouse space and garages for not that much if they're not in town. You know, if you want to be in town, yeah. Warehouse kind of expensive. Right.

[00:10:38] But if you want to be way out the highway in that warehouse, what is it going to cost to find something to rent? Now you're saying, well, you know, Chuck, it could be $2,000 a month. All right. But you and your family don't need an entire giant warehouse.

[00:10:54] You win 20 of your buddies might be cool with a giant warehouse. Now I understand some of you might say, well, you know, why would I spend the money when I can just go take that warehouse and defend it? That's up to you. That's your own personal business.

[00:11:10] But I'm just saying to ensure victory and be able to pre-stage supplies, know what's there and set things up might be a lot cooler than just planning on a fly by the seat of your pants kind of thing.

[00:11:26] I will say though, there is something cool about the idea of, well, you know, I'm going to go take over the Walmart distribution center, you know, because man, those things are giant and they have tons and tons of supplies inside that could last forever.

[00:11:44] But how could you defend a building that big? I mean, you need a lot of people. Now there's not a lot of entrances and you could lock down those garage doors and stuff, but that's something you would really need a large group to be able to really secure.

[00:12:02] And that's something, again, with the proper planning, somebody could probably pull it off. But I also would say that's something that not only would you maybe have eyes for that, I wouldn't be surprised if the government had eyes for that.

[00:12:17] If FEMA was like, hey, we're going to go take over that thing. So you'll go try and move in and FEMA is going to roll in two minutes later and be like, oh no. And it turns out they have more guns that you paid for. So that's something.

[00:12:31] You bought them all sorts of cool stuff. Yeah. And you know, the other thing is a lot of those places are well known by a lot of truckers. You know, there's a good likelihood that a trucker and his family is going to be there before you are.

[00:12:45] And the trucker is going to be there when the shit hits them. He's already there. He's there loading up or hooking up or waiting for his next load and he's ready. It's something to be aware of. It's an awesome resource that you don't want to let just disappear.

[00:13:01] But on the flip side, it's something you're going to have to realize. There's going to be a whole lot of competition, including the government with helicopters and guns. You know, that's something to keep in mind there. Yeah.

[00:13:14] Another one that I don't think comes up very often is it. Well, I mean, it comes up, but I don't think a lot of people think about it in that sense. There's a lot of abandoned buildings, a lot of abandoned warehouses.

[00:13:27] And do you remember we did a show about I can't remember his actual name, Dr. Chaos? Yes. It was a while back. Yeah. His his thing was urban exploration. He was really into that, you know, breaking into old buildings, finding basements that

[00:13:45] connected other things and subway stations and utility access tunnels and things like that. And he was wanted by the police for several years. He was just living in abandoned buildings and had, you know, like secret lairs and all sorts of stuff like that.

[00:14:03] And I kind of see definitely Chicago. He was in Chicago for a good part of it. Correct. Right. Right. He moved to Chicago when the police started coming after him. Yeah. And New York City, Chicago, these cities have huge underground systems and there are a lot

[00:14:18] of closed off sections that people might not know about. You know, you think of that whole Guy Fawkes day thing and, you know, they were all working in the tunnels and there is a lot of cool stuff down there and there's a lot of stuff

[00:14:31] that nobody knows about anymore. And if you again started to plan ahead and to be honest, it's even a place where you could pre-stage some stuff. Right. And the truth is, if you're like going through like, you know, looking for stuff like that,

[00:14:48] going through old abandoned buildings and things like that, and the police do catch you when it's not, you know, an emergency, it's just like trespassing. It's not even like a real crime. They might tell you to leave and you just leave.

[00:15:01] You know, it's not even a big deal. You can't be here. OK. OK. Sorry. My bad. I mean, because it turns out the courts are overwhelmed with nonsense that they don't really have time for the little things. Right. Oh, this unused empty room. How dare you?

[00:15:18] You know, yeah, they're too worried about videotaping in town hall trying to, you know, doing these whatever, you know, first amendment checks or whatever it is they call it. Yeah. I saw an article recently about a guy that they had found that had been living in a in

[00:15:36] an old mall, like a active mall, like with stores, you know, where people actually go to. But it was just a section that he had walled off and had, you know, one door with his own

[00:15:46] key that he made up and just had, you know, free water and electricity and free rent. Well, how many people just plug the extension cord into their neighbor's house and they don't even notice?

[00:15:58] You got to spray paint that orange cord green, spray paint it green, fly it through the grass. Maybe you bury it two inches, you know. You go two inches, you don't have to call before. I think we did a show a while back about stealing electricity.

[00:16:11] So I mean, maybe check that out. I had a I had a buddy of mine is an electrician in Poughkeepsie there and the actual power company called them out and was like, hey, you got to come over. We think you did something shady.

[00:16:26] And it's funny because they were just messing with him and thought it was funny because it was just something everybody wanted to see. Somebody went out, took a copper wire, wrapped it around a nail and a hammer and a nail and

[00:16:39] banged it right into the power line above the meter. Just right into it. And they had that bare copper wire just right out of it. And you know, it's insulated away. But you had a nail and about two inches of copper wire just sitting there.

[00:16:54] And we're like, holy shit, who would be ballsy enough? Yeah. Hey, I'm going to kill myself. They were like, do you do this? And he was like, yeah, that's what I. You know. Yeah. Yeah. And a friend of mine that told me his dad always used to.

[00:17:11] He had those he had those locks that they put on those put on the utility boxes outside his house and he would open it up every every month that he would turn it back. So he was paying almost no electricity.

[00:17:28] And then but one time he hit two things with the same screwdriver and it shorted the whole thing out. Shut down the sound. So he he took a baseball bat and smashed it off the side of his house and then called

[00:17:41] the electric company and said some kids did it. He said he still had to pay for it. It ended up costing him a lot more money than it would have spent on the electric bill every month. Yeah. Yeah, that's a thing.

[00:17:52] So one of the things if your plan is, hey, I'm going to go to this remote location. I'm going to go to the warehouse. I'm going to go somewhere maybe in your you and your buddies invest in something cool like a deuce and a half loaded up.

[00:18:07] You could do something like that. Now, obviously, the more budget friendly version would be to buy like an old school bus. There's something called schoolies, a bunch of weird people that are in a, you know, resto modern. Right.

[00:18:23] You know, old buses and you can buy buses for like two grand and not not to plug anything, but maybe you have a Cummins in that school bus. Maybe, maybe something that's actually going to work.

[00:18:37] And you want to, you know, redo that school bus and fill it up with water, fill it up with all these things to be able to bug out. But again, that might be outside every man's budget, but maybe it's not outside you in five families budget.

[00:18:55] You know what I'm saying? If everybody's like, Hey, look, we'll all chip in 500 bucks and we'll all put in a weekend worth of work and getting it ready. And then over time we'll start to add some supplies to it.

[00:19:07] And maybe you drive out to your middle of nowhere and then you, uh, you unload it. You guys live in the bus and you have all your supplies there. I mean, that's an option now.

[00:19:20] One, you have to count on it being somewhere you're going to be able to get to, which it depends on the type of apocalypse that you're preparing for. Because there are certain ones where driving 20 or 30 miles is going to be a big deal or possibly impossible.

[00:19:39] So you need to have the plan of how am I going to get me and my family there? So that's one of the biggest things. So why we always discourage bugging out is because how are you going to get there?

[00:19:51] You know, you need to realize that it's not always that easy when the highways are blocked with traffic. Imagine trying to get out of LA at, you know, when things are going bad, just assume cars

[00:20:04] are working totally fine, but the power goes out and all those streetlights stop working. Can you do it? And then I would add in there, everybody has electric cars. How long can they sit in traffic? And then does that hold up everybody else?

[00:20:19] I understand you may have the gas car, but they don't. Maybe having a dirt bike or the electric scooter, you know, whatever, that kind of thing, you might have your option out of the city where you can go a little bit, but also

[00:20:35] the electric scooter, are you going to be able to go off road? And then is somebody going to hit you with a baseball bat and take you off that bike? I don't know. Because they might want that electric scooter, you know?

[00:20:47] And that's always, you know, people are like, well, that's my plan. I'm going to have my gun and be like, get out of that cool car. I'm going to take it. That's not really a good plan. And that's a good way to get shot.

[00:20:57] It might be a dirt bag, you know, it's whatever. But there are a lot of dirt bags out there, you know? So you do you. Now, another thing to consider. What about boats? Boats and barges? They're an excellent option because you have security.

[00:21:16] Now I got to say a barge is not really something you can escape from pirates in, right? You're not going to just zip right out of there when they show up in their speedboat with the 50 Cal and you know, you need to be sure you can defend yourself.

[00:21:32] I would say if you have your own 50 Cal, even if it's not full auto, if you can, you know, you have the Barrett and you can take that mile shot at the guy coming with a 50 Cal bullet, you might be able to defend from pirates. I'm just saying.

[00:21:45] I mean, I got to say, if I had one of these big container ships that we see going down the ocean and getting robbed all the time. Yeah. I was watching a video and they were talking about the insurance.

[00:21:57] They said that if you have like a $5 million load, you're paying about 500,000 in insurance to run that ship each trip. That's why the cost of goods is going up because of pirates. That's how crazy it is.

[00:22:14] But I got to say, if you had a 50 Cal on that boat, you're going against most of those ribs or whatever. You're putting them down before they get to you. Now, one of the big things is people wait until they come right to them before, because

[00:22:30] you can't just go shooting at boats. Oh, there's a boat over there. Yeah. It's coming towards us. We may as well shoot it. They always wait. Like we got to be sure that it's guys with machetes, you know, before we start shooting.

[00:22:43] But you know, maybe you get better binoculars. I'm not sure how it works exactly. Barges are great because they're generally made out of steel, steel hull. And you get a lot of storage space in them. That's what they're used for.

[00:22:58] I saw this one made out of 55 gallon drums called the jellyfish barge project or something. And if you search that out, it's pretty cool. They use probably toxic waste containers or something and then put a little greenhouse on it or something.

[00:23:13] I'm not sure you need to use toxic waste containers, but that's how I imagine it in my mind. But there are a lot of different things that you could set up a barge and have water containers on there.

[00:23:27] Have, you know, and I got to say they're not that expensive, a barge, if you plan it out. And again, that's something you and a couple of people could put together for a reasonable budget.

[00:23:40] And again, it depends, you know, how much of your budget do you allocate towards, you know, prepping? And you decide again, it's how much do you want to live your life enjoying it now?

[00:23:52] And how much do you want to be prepared against the rare chance that things go bad? And you got a way as a prepper, what type of risks versus what you're willing to give up now. And that's like always my big theme.

[00:24:08] Like I'm like, all right, look, you know, I'm going to buy all this long-term food. Well, one, it's going to help because I'm fighting inflation right now. I already bought stuff and that's going to help out.

[00:24:20] But that's the same thing that, you know, it may be prepper stuff like people buy a bunch of camping gear and life straws and little camp stoves and whatever. And if you go camping, that's awesome and you should have it.

[00:24:34] And honestly, I mean a life straw or something that could be a very small part of your budget, right? That's not, you know, a big deal. You're not breaking the bank on that. Right.

[00:24:42] You're not breaking the bank, but you need to weigh, is that something that's a consumer? That I'm going to actually use or is that something that I'm going to, you know, not

[00:24:53] ever touch and it's just going to sit there and then my kids are going to inherit all that's left of my stuff. And they're going to be like, this is garbage and throw it out for all this shit out. Yep. It's a gamble, you know? Yeah.

[00:25:07] Now another, a couple other things that are good about boats that are, you know, positive stuff. Yes. You know, one it's great for, for escaping fires, you know? Sailboat, you know, obviously wind powered.

[00:25:23] You don't need to have, you know, big amount of fuel if you're on something like that. You've got close proximity to food and water. I mean, obviously if you're in the ocean, you don't have access to water, but you know, fishing and things like that.

[00:25:37] And honestly, a lot of rivers in the United States, I wouldn't drink that water without treating it either, you know? Right. There are great desalinization systems that you can do for a boat, but it's a budget and

[00:25:49] a plan that you have to put into place, you know, beforehand and yeah, they're not a super cheap option. And that's the thing I got to say when you go down in the Marina and think, Oh, there's hundreds of boats I can go pick out.

[00:26:02] A lot of them are gas powered or diesel, right? You're not going to walk up, find a lot of sailboats anymore. They're not as much the big thing you got to plan.

[00:26:12] You got to buy your own boat and then you got to protect it and make sure it's going to be there when you show up. That was always the thing. How do you get off New York city?

[00:26:22] And people are like, Ooh, the bridges and tunnels are just clogged up in an emergency. And sometimes the government even shuts them down. I'm just saying September 11th. I mean, I think a big in emergencies and the government was like, Nope, screw you. You're stuck. Right.

[00:26:39] And, but, uh, but boats and stuff are another way off the Island, you know, that you could do. Um, it's just something to think about if you want to dig into boats. We actually did a whole episode. That's great.

[00:26:51] I'll put a link in the, in the show notes so you guys can dig it up and check that out. Cause we really go hard into setting up your boat and security and dealing with pirates. But you know, that's one option.

[00:27:03] Um, like I said, warehouses, your, your big, uh, you know, food stockpile warehouses, but buying your own, buying a car garage or a shop and making it a wood shop that you use or doing something with your buddies.

[00:27:18] You can have multi-purpose where it's not just a big junkie, you know, a thing that, Oh, we stored some supplies there and we have a warehouse in the middle of nowhere. Maybe it's where you and your buddies go stand and drink beer, like Kanga the hill and you

[00:27:32] go work on cars together. You know, you can multi-purpose things where it's part of your entertainment and part of your prepping plan. Um, maybe you set up a wood shop and you work on, you know, building furniture with whatever.

[00:27:46] Like I don't know what you do for fun, but I feel like there's ways you can incorporate these things. It doesn't have to be, well, I spent all this money on this and now I have to spend all this money on other stuff. You can combine these projects.

[00:27:59] Another thing I've been thinking about, like I'm big on, uh, on, you know, having land and farming and getting off grid and, and like that. Now mind you, I'm not like, I don't have even solar panels and stuff.

[00:28:13] I still can't make sense that they are a good investment. I have solar panels for like small scale to get me electricity for the apocalypse, right? For what I want, but I don't run my house off solar.

[00:28:26] I have a well pump that runs off solar just cause I was like, man, that's an awesome prepper option. You know, now I have water and it comes out, I don't even have to pump it and it's easy

[00:28:37] and I have it, you know, backed up, backup, uh, uh, charge controllers and things like that so that I can deal with, you know, if there was an EMP or stuff like that, I have

[00:28:48] those set aside in a safe place, but that doesn't have to be the thing. But for, I know around here, I always see in the budget and people tell me, well, when you go to do it, that's not the reality.

[00:29:02] But I basically see ads where for about 30 grand, you can have a pretty good metal outbuilding. That's awesome on your farmer property. So it's basically around here, 30 by 40, you'd pay like 10 grand for a foundation, you know, for just concrete slab.

[00:29:21] And then I see about 18 to 20,000, somebody will come put up your metal building with doors and windows. Now we're talking about a shell with no insulation, but now you have somewhere you can go store stuff.

[00:29:34] You can stockpile stuff and you have a roof over your head that could be great for you and your buddies. Now here's where step two, you're saying, well, Chuck, I live in the city. That's why I'm talking about bugging out.

[00:29:44] If I had a big farm, I wouldn't be moving and bugging out. That's okay. I got a plan for you. How about when you're around, you find something that's accessible far and secluded enough away.

[00:29:57] I mean, that's the thing you have to judge the balance of, you know, how quick are you willing to walk away from your job and go out to the country or can you take two days off or whatever?

[00:30:08] But you find how far and how safe, because obviously the more remote you are, the better your survival odds are going to be. Right. But the further you have to travel. Right. And you have to balance that.

[00:30:21] That's a whole separate, you know, discussion, but you find the farm or the land and you work together with your buddies and either buy some land and throw up a metal building like

[00:30:32] this to secure your supplies or part two, you go find one of these places and you go talk to the farmer and say, Hey, look, I plan on surviving the apocalypse. I worry about these things. These are my concerns.

[00:30:47] How cool would you let me put up a building on your property and store some stuff here or, and, but here's the benefit. I'm going to have my own supplies and we're going to have mutual security. Right.

[00:31:05] And I'm only going to, you know, have access to my building to put stuff in there. You guys can work together of, Hey, you can use this for hay storage or you can use this

[00:31:14] for whatever, as long as you know, I have this section for my supply storage and I get to whatever. And he might be cool with that. That's not actually an impossible thing. Now maybe you're saying, all right, but I'm not buying a 30 grand building for somebody else. Okay.

[00:31:32] Maybe that's your plan. No problem. What if I have a schoolie bus that I drive out there or my camping gear and I work out that, Hey, look, if things go bad, I bet you, if you talk to enough people that you could

[00:31:45] find a guy who's like, you know what? If you show up with your own supplies and you're willing to work on mutual security and you're willing to help garden and farm and run security for my property, if things went bad, I would be happy to work with you.

[00:32:01] Again, if you're an asshole, probably not going to work out. Like the guy's going to meet you and go, nah, I don't think so, buddy. Yeah. I'm talking about 90% of the, our listeners.

[00:32:13] But well, I mean me, but I know you didn't want to come out and say it, but that's the thing, but you could work these deals. Now the deal might not work with the first guy.

[00:32:25] And I bet you, if you went to some of these farming things and the cool thing is you could go into the local farm feed store, that kind of stuff in a small town. If you said, Hey, look, this is what I'm looking for.

[00:32:39] Do you know anybody that I should maybe talk to? And they might say, Hey, you know what? Farmer so-and-so, you might want to talk to him. And I know that sounds crazy and farfetched, but you got to think outside the box a little bit.

[00:32:54] And I got to say as a prepper, you're already kind of thinking outside the box a little bit. Right. And you know, this is not an impossible plan. You really could set something up to utilize somebody else's land, but you can't be like,

[00:33:09] I'm just going to show up. But if you broker this deal in advance, I bet you it's no problem. I bet you. I mean, I would be down for that. Hey, mutual security, I'm going to show up, but I'm going to bring my own supplies and

[00:33:24] then you have to have a plan to bring your own supplies. Right. And maybe that's, you're going to stage some there. Hey, look, you have a hundred acres, 20 acres, 10 acres, whatever seems big to you that's reasonable and whatever.

[00:33:38] Can I put a 10 by 10 metal shed out there and go out and, you know, or one of these, you know, Amish built 10 grand little things they drop out there. Right. Or you see them used all the time around here. I don't know.

[00:33:51] You know, you probably don't see them when you live in the city, but when you live in the country, like me, I see those buildings for sale for like four grand, five grand. Hey, I have this old shed.

[00:34:01] Some I see for free if you can come and get it, you know? Right. They're like, all right, we're done with it. Can you, you know, whatever. Even I think you can go to Lowe's and for like 799, you can buy a plastic shed.

[00:34:13] That's just a couple of pieces that clip together and they go out there. I have one in my backyard. I didn't buy it. It came with the property. And I was like, you know, all the bikes and crap that I'm never going to touch again in my life.

[00:34:27] But I feel wrong throwing out that plastic shed. I just cut a spot out of the weeds in the woods and set it in there. And I was like, Todd, you know, I had to stick a log under one end so it wasn't too crooked and coming apart.

[00:34:42] But aside of that, that was it. You know, I put up that little plastic shed. If I went out there with a caulk gun and really cared, I could load that up with supplies.

[00:34:53] You know, I could make it mouse proof and I could, you know, really close it up and do that. And I could put things in Tupperware and I could have supplies again if I had an extra

[00:35:04] one of those on my property with somebody's supplies, but they were like, Hey, but I'm going to come out here when things get bad. That wouldn't bother me because one, if you don't show up, that's a win for me because

[00:35:15] I just got all kinds of cool supplies for the apocalypse. Or two, if you do show up, I have somebody I can trust who's another gun who can stand, watch and help farm. So I don't see anybody not liking that scenario.

[00:35:30] And they might even like, Hey, you know, I think you're crazy, but it covers the downside. I have to do a whole lot less prepping because I have a guy who's spending all his time learning

[00:35:41] survival skills, learning to be prepared, who is going to show up and help me out. Now again, you might not show up, but if you do, it's a win. And if you don't, I get your supplies and it's a win.

[00:35:55] I don't see this being that hard of a sell to a farmer. To me, this is like the best plan that I see. Now, Kevin, you also said that caves might be an option when we were talking. Yeah.

[00:36:10] I saw a couple of people have posted stuff about, you know, caves and mines and things like that. And we have actually quite a few caves around this area. And I've done my fair share of spelunking.

[00:36:22] And be honest with you, I can't think of one cave that I'd really want to spend more than a few hours in. You know, that's all wet and disgusting. But you know, listen, if you're riding out a big storm, might be a great spot to be.

[00:36:39] You know, and you know, it's safe. It's safe from the elements. It's going to keep anybody from shooting at you unless they get in there with you. One of the ones that I see a lot of, I don't think it's going to be the ideal location

[00:36:57] because I think a lot of people would think about it. But state and national parks have a lot of land. And if you have the appropriate camping gear, you probably spend quite a bit of time out there.

[00:37:07] And if you can find access to water, you might be able to spend two, three weeks out there without even having to interact with anybody. And you know, one of the other ones that I thought about, I see these a lot in my area

[00:37:21] and probably a lot of areas around the country. There's a lot of abandoned train cars. We have some abandoned tracks around us and there's just, you know, they stopped there and that's as far as it went and it never moved again. You know, it's cool. Yeah.

[00:37:40] We used to hang out like as a kid. I don't know if this world exists anymore. I don't know if the price of scrap metal is too high or whatever.

[00:37:48] But I know when I was a kid, we used to go in the woods and there'd be passenger cars all through the woods that we could just go in and terrorize and you know, whatever. So yeah. Could you go hang out in those? Probably.

[00:38:01] You know, there's, I know by Kevin, there was an old hotel that's burned down up at the top of a mountain. And you could go up there, you can see a million miles. It's got awesome wall structures and you could really build something there and set up some

[00:38:15] kind of roof system and build something pretty cool. Now, my guess is a few other people have that same idea. So you may have problems, but I don't know. A lot of people don't want to hike supplies up in the woods. That is like effort. Yeah.

[00:38:32] When we're talking about supplies, I'll come take them from you. That might be. I was actually doing some hiking a couple of years back in an area up by me. And I thought it was like really cool bug out location because you can see from the

[00:38:47] top of the hill there, you can see the whole river, you know, any ships coming up and down the river and then down a little ways is a lake, you know, with fish in it. And it was a bit of a hike to get up there.

[00:39:01] It's like difficult access. You know, it's not easy to get up there. And then I found out I did some reading about it during the French and Indian War. The Indians, that was like their fortress, their mountain fortress.

[00:39:12] And I was like, oh, they picked some cool spots, you know, they can see any ships coming and going and they would take their prisoners up there and, you know, just chill out until they wanted to trade somebody for something else, you know.

[00:39:27] But there are a lot of locations like that. Not every place in the national and state forests is going to be a great location like that. You want to be able to have access.

[00:39:37] If you can fish in a lake out there, that's, you know, a hundred times better. You know, fresh fish, even a couple of times a week, it's going to really help subsidize your food. Right.

[00:39:49] Now, another thing I would point out, though, I mean, one, there are going to be pirates out there if you go for the whole boat thing. But any of these options don't think that you're going to run out and do it and without any planning.

[00:40:05] If you don't know how to sail a boat, don't have hijacking a sailboat as your plan. Right. That's not the go to. And I'd assume that if you bought a sailboat, then you would actually know how to sail it like that. Right. I don't know.

[00:40:22] Also having it at dry dock somewhere and not being able to get it in the water might be a problem. Now, if you got a trailer in your backyard and you're like, hey, I have river access

[00:40:32] that it can get me out to the ocean in 10 minutes and I can just, you know, I mean, you know, maybe you're in the water in a half in 10 minutes and then an hour or an hour and a half driving up the Hudson River to the ocean.

[00:40:47] You might be cool. Right. That's what Kevin's option might be. Right. And then you go sail away. Right. He's an experienced Navy sailor. So obviously sail a boat. Obviously. Yeah. Obviously. Right. But that might be your plan. But don't assume you can go do it.

[00:41:04] But the same thing, don't go to the farmer and say, yeah, I'm going to help you unless you're bringing something to the table. Right. Right. Hey, I, I may not be excellent at farming, but I'm willing to go out and shovel and do

[00:41:19] dirt and move things all day and I can do what I'm told, but I'm handy with a gun and I really can provide security. I understand security. I understand foraging. I understand hunting. You know, whatever you bring to the table, just make sure you're bringing something to

[00:41:38] the table or these plans might not exactly work. You know, if you're like the lawyer and again, if you're the lawyer who has no skills and ability because you don't go outside other than, you know, to your car in the morning

[00:41:53] and you know, not that that's what lawyers do. Some lawyers might be into hunting and fishing and whatever. That's what I'm saying. They're going to bring all their skills. Right. But if you don't have any of these skills, then maybe you need to bring a lot of money

[00:42:07] to the table. Right? Hey, but I have all these supplies. Um, it's always one of those things, time or money, right? That's what they always say. So you spend time developing skills and become a useful bushcraft guy or a useful security

[00:42:22] expert or you bring money to the table of, Hey, I'm going to bring all these supplies. That's the thing. You need to decide what the best plan is and you need to bring something to the table,

[00:42:37] but thinking ahead is what's going to save your butt when these things go down. Um, like I said, having a plan with a farmer, going in, talking to somebody and saying, Hey, can I come out here? Can I be your buddy?

[00:42:51] That's what's gonna, you know, set you apart. That's what's going to really, you know, get you the deal, the situation that you want. And I think that's honestly your best play. I did see, um, one of the other guys, I don't even remember which one.

[00:43:08] One of the videos I watched on YouTube yesterday was a, had flea, the city.com and it was somewhere in like South Dakota where a group, they kind of help you plan and come up with a thing

[00:43:21] on your own and they actually, you know, kind of scope out how to set up an escape plan for you. So maybe that's option. You know what? Maybe we set up a Facebook group. I'll put a link anyway.

[00:43:37] And we kind of set something up where you can kind of network with farmers who might have options. And I feel like nobody ever goes to those things. I don't know. D would that be something people are interested in? Here's what we do.

[00:43:50] In the prepping badass group, we'll add a little chat room. If you guys are like, Hey, you know, if you guys are looking for a place to bug out in whatever state, get in touch with me and I'd be interested in, you know, if you're free

[00:44:05] stage equipment, you know, you get to set your own criteria. Turns out, like I said, money or time, right? So if you have the land and the great farm, you already committed to an off-grid, you know, survival kind of situation.

[00:44:20] You guys can come out and hang out with me. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're bringing to have those types of stipulations, you know, ask grass or gas, you know, bring something to the table.

[00:44:31] I mean, you know, I don't know what you look like, you know, maybe it's, you know, that you can work it out, but that's me personally. I'm cute, you know, right? Kevin, Kevin, I'm a snack, bro. You know, that's what Kevin's bringing to the table.

[00:44:48] Basically what you see is what you get, you know, my good looks and charm. Ah, Kevin, it's an ugly world. So anyway, that's what I got. I mean, there's a lot of different options, you know, RVs, buses, that kind of thing.

[00:45:03] Like I said, staging something like a bus or a dually, something like that. And in my plans, that would be something that's going to run, uh, where after an EMP or a solar flare, you know, maybe you go to EMP shield.com code badass, say 50 bucks.

[00:45:22] You could, you know, end up setting up your regular vehicle to be able to drive after things go bad. That's a cool option, right? You know, you need to think or something old and diesel, you know, that old deuce and a

[00:45:37] half from the seventies, that's going to run just fine without EMP shield. You know, you do the thing, a new bus, probably not going to go, but one of your old school, you know, 1960s, seventies, even eighties school bus, you probably be all right.

[00:45:52] You need to check out what you're dealing with, with the electrical system and see what your options are. But anyway, you want to come up with a plan that's going to work for you. There's a lot of great things out there.

[00:46:04] Like I said, warehouses, distribution centers, you want to be careful because you got to be able to defend it. So you're going to need 20 or 30 guys with guns who know how to use them.

[00:46:15] If you're going to take some of these bigger places in town, buying your own warehouse out of town, you and five guys might be able, you know, five shooters, right? Not saying guys or women can do it, whatever it's, you need five shooters who are capable

[00:46:29] of defending something. And you might be able to defend a small little thing, or you could go secret and go cave or something. We always, you know, like we just discussed, they're wet, they're damp, they're gross in caves, but it's an option. So anyway, that's what I got.

[00:46:46] Kevin, anything else exciting? We're good. That's it. All right. So with that, I would say stay safe. Look out for each other and we will talk to you guys next week. Bye. Bye. Bye.