Can You Really Live Off Grid

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[00:01:10] Hello, Rye. Welcome back to the Survival and Basic Badass Podcast, Kevin and Chuck. Today, we're going to talk about living off-grid because the big question I think most people have about it all is, is can you really do it? Like, is it even, is it a fantasy or is it something that could be reality? And I got to say, it's not easy.

[00:01:36] You know, I think like early on before the whole prepper world, people would think of like Swiss Family Robinson and things like that. You know, some of you younger guys don't even know what that is. But, you know, you'd have that fantasy of, oh, could I just live, you know? And, you know, can you get by without the government and without everything?

[00:02:01] And, you know, living off-grid isn't necessarily without the government. But obviously, the more government gets intrusive, I feel like we want to go shelter in place and not go out anymore. You know, the more you don't go out, the more you don't see people. And the more you don't see people, the more safe you feel. How about that? Yeah, no, I personally am not a big fan of going out.

[00:02:28] Now, everybody, I think, has a different interpretation of what off-grid really is. I mean, you know, I think the fantasy for me is no people, right? I don't mind being connected to a power grid if that means I have a way to pay for it and I still don't have to deal with people.

[00:02:58] Now, I am not trying to make an argument that that's off-grid. I mean, I think by very definition, not being connected to a grid, right, would be, you know, off-grid. So obviously, that is the goal. Don't, you know, don't let it confuse you and that I'm trying to scare you away from the fantasy.

[00:03:19] I'm just saying that basically getting away is the biggest thing for me in my heart, is getting away from society and everything. Now, being sustainable as preppers, when you control everything, I think that's the biggest, you know, the biggest benefit. Because if you're in control, you can make sure that things don't go wrong, right?

[00:03:44] Like, if I know where my electricity comes from because it's the solar panels on my roof, then I have greater control than the power company and all the trees and everything in between, you know, beyond my property that I have no control over, right? Right. So that's, I think, the beauty of it is kind of control and just being able to handle and deal with things, you know, when it's beyond your ability.

[00:04:14] But how do we do that? I guess that's what we really go into. So, you know, in a perfect world, we provide our own water. We provide our own food. We have a way to pay our taxes, right, presuming there are any. We can pay that mortgage or if there is no mortgage, even better. You know, how do we do it? How do we make all that happen? Hopefully, we're going to lay out some plans, talk to you about some of the pitfalls that come up.

[00:04:43] And, you know, is it even possible? I am still connected to the grid, but I also do, I would say, I call it more like homesteading, right? Where I am, right? I have some of the benefits of regular life, yet I also try and provide and be as self-sufficient on my property as I possibly can.

[00:05:10] I think that's the version that I go with. And, you know, like I said, solar is pretty cool and could be a great thing. And the more you can provide different things. Getting your own water, that's a big thing. And then producing your own food is obviously kind of the goal.

[00:05:31] I think that's why a lot of people turn to it for the most part is they want to have food that they're in control of that's actually what they believe to be healthy. And I would think that's true. I mean, I want my food to be chemical free, right? You know, to not be made in a laboratory and actually, you know, made by nature, made by God, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:56] I think most of the people that I see that are actually living the off-grid homestead lifestyle are like, you know, real hippies with, you know, the dreadlocks and the whole nine yards, you know? But, you know, you don't have to be a hippie weirdo to be into that sort of thing. Can you still shower and live off-grid, Kevin? I mean, yes, you can. But, I mean, do you really want to? That's the question with these hippies I see.

[00:06:25] It's like we don't use much water because we don't bait. That's, you know, that's the trick. You know, a lot of these guys are getting water from their, you know, from catch basins and things like that, you know, rainfall. And I've seen some really elaborate, interesting setups that people have done with that. But also I've seen a lot of people that say they just go to the truck stop and use the showers there. Really?

[00:06:52] And I don't know how often you can actually do that. Yeah. But, you know, that's unusual to me. Yeah. Yeah. They were telling me or they were saying that they get set up and they didn't have access to water. They had to, you know, literally carry water from a source. And they said that's great for cooking, washing your hands and things like that. But, you know, it's not shower water. You know, it's not enough to.

[00:07:22] Right. I think for me, one of the biggest things of living off grid is you need to have access to water. And that's essential. And I don't see another scenario. To me, you're kind of playing games otherwise. Even if you're bringing it in in big containers. I mean, if you can just afford the, hey, auto delivery, just bring a big, you know, container of unlimited water for me.

[00:07:51] That's, I guess, works. But you need to have a water plan. So, to me, the only way, there's different ways to make it work. I haven't found the fantasy, you know, make a giant podcast or a YouTube channel that just sustains everything. Right. That I see people do it. And I know there are people out there who are doing it.

[00:08:18] I know my wife follows a few that are pretty cool that, you know, do sustain everything with, you know, having something like that. You know, maybe you're the travel writer. Right. You always see those. That used to be the thing back in the day. I'm a travel blogger and I sustain my whole income from it. Well, but it also, it doesn't have to be too extravagant.

[00:08:45] I think it comes down to, can you purchase the property that you want to live off grid on? Can you buy it outright? I think if you own the land, you have a real good shot. And there are places you can buy five acres for 30 grand. You know, these, it's possible. You can have self-sustaining with food on an acre if you really know what you're doing.

[00:09:14] Do you have the privacy that you want if you only have an acre? I don't know. You know, there's different things that you could do, but you need to decide what works. To me, five acres is kind of more of the dream. Um, but an acre is doable. Uh, but I think owning it is going to be your key. And I think you need to find something with water.

[00:09:41] And that may be drilling a well that may be, you know, you can have these wells that you put in with the spike and it's easy. One of the big things, if it's not ridiculously deep, you can do a solar well and they're not expensive. Uh, you can be pumping water out with solar hole setup, pump panels, everything for under $500.

[00:10:10] Um, but you have to dig a hole and you have to have water in that hole. Right. And that has to be there. So that's not part of the 500, right? Yeah. There's some places where you can have, you know, uh, the water table is 10, 15 feet, you know, below the ground. Also, there are some places where it's 500 feet you have to go down and it's not going to be as easy to get that water up out of the ground. And so water, water is the key.

[00:10:36] Um, if you do have a stream or river, uh, one thing you might want to look into if you haven't figured it all out yet is a ram pump. Ram pumps are amazing. Um, you can really get some elevation out of the water, you know, bring the stream up 50 feet from where it was and things like that. As long as you have actual running water. Um, I think hand pumps are cool if you can do it, but it can be a lot of work.

[00:11:03] Um, but you need to decide because it turns out growing food requires a lot of water. So that's something to be aware of. Uh, I guess first let's jump into, uh, where, where, where are your best places?

[00:11:18] Um, I know I kind of did this like hybrid off, off grid lifestyle where I wanted to get away and make the change, but I also, you know, still needed to work. I guess that's the answer. I was chose to, to still have a job outside of the property. And with that, um, North Carolina ended up being a great choice for me had lower taxes.

[00:11:47] I think low taxes are a big part of being sustainable. Right. If you're paying 8,000 a year in property taxes, that's another big expense on your off grid income, which you might have in California or New York. Right. I mean, you have your property paid off and you're still paying the mortgage basically to pay those taxes. That that's a big thing. Whereas if you're somewhere where it's $200 a year for your property, that's another story. So, um, Tennessee is really good.

[00:12:17] Alaska, Wyoming, Iowa. You can also look outside the country. I know like Belize is one of the big ones that top right now that people get excited about, but there are a lot of countries that you can go and kind of live off grid and it's okay. And the environment is good for it. Right. Right.

[00:12:37] And a lot of these countries, um, that are lower, um, lower cost of living, um, might work out, but also on the other end of it, you know, it's a lot more dangerous in some of these places. Um, Uruguay is a great, great place. If you want to have, you know, low cost and you have some sort of an income already coming in, whether it's social security or retirements or a pension or something like that.

[00:13:03] And, uh, you could live there relatively inexpensively and take care of your own homestead with small amount of costs. But, you know, you don't want you, you might want to be wary of people that are planning on breaking in and taking whatever you have. And you might not be able to own guns in a lot of these places. Right. Something to think about. But again, maybe that's not your only go-to, right? Maybe you don't care. Maybe you can have bow and arrow. Maybe you don't. I don't know.

[00:13:33] You know, it depends. You need to figure out what works and also what's important to you, right? What really matters is your goals. Um, so there are lots of good places. Like I said, I'm pretty happy in North Carolina. Alaska sounds great, but it also sounds like it can be tough. You got the huge bear predator thing going on. I mean, there's a lot of cold weather. You're going on. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:13:59] I mean, I'm in upstate New York and I'll tell you right now, we've got a good three or four months here where you can freeze to death if you're not, you know, if you're not continually hitting your home. Right. Oh, absolutely. And the next thing I think when you think about when you do find this perfect property that you can afford or now another thought I've been kicking around too is, you know, communal living isn't the end of the world either.

[00:14:28] You know, people think of the hippie thing and well, I'm not a socialist. I'm not going to do that and whatever. But you could also go with a bunch of friends where, you know, you may be set up one well and you can kind of work on security together. And I'm talking about from predators and things like that. But you could also say, hey, you have three acres here.

[00:14:51] I have three acres here and we cut up this nine acres we can afford together and we can share some of our big projects because manpower is a big thing. Yeah. I see a lot of people doing this. And, you know, that's why you see these families that have eight kids, you know, running the farms because it it takes that manpower.

[00:15:14] You know, you got you got your six and seven year olds doing the basic, you know, basic chores. And then you've got your, you know, 15, 16 year olds helping out with the actual work. And I think a lot of these homesteads, a lot of these off grid living situations require more than just, you know, husband and wife situations. You know, takes more manpower than that to, you know, even a build a build a building.

[00:15:44] You know, you need a couple of sets of hands. Yeah. And I think that's a big thing, too, is networking with your neighbors and things like that. I watch a show, Homestead Rescue on Discovery or something. And it's funny because whenever they want to tackle big projects and they go in immediately, it's like, oh, well, we found your neighbor. Well, one, you have this big predator problem. We went and talked to your neighbors.

[00:16:13] This is what all your neighbors are doing about these predators. And I'm like, oh, you actually talk to people. And that's unusual for me. Right. Or the same thing. Hey, your neighbor has this big tractor and he let us borrow it for the day or he came over and decided to help out for the day. You know, there's ways to, you know, utilize other people around you. You don't have to just totally isolate. And that's a big thing.

[00:16:42] It can really make a difference. Yeah. And I see a lot of these, say commune, but I think they like to be called intentional communities. Ah, intentional community. You know, but we're, you know, multiple people. Do you have a cult leader when you do it? Have a cult leader. Right. I mean, that's kind of mandatory.

[00:17:04] And, you know, but it, you know, it's multiple people working the land and working the property to be self-sustaining. You know, it's not really something you can do by yourself. And, you know, unless you're a real like Ted Kaczynski loner out there, you know, living in your shed. I'm not sure that's how we all picture ourselves when we think of off-grid is I want to be Ted Kaczynski. Well, I mean, listen, different strokes, I guess. All right.

[00:17:34] All right. So you do want to lay out your property in an efficient way. And there are a lot of great books on that. One of the ones I always push is The Self-Sufficient Life. But you want to think about, you know, the different things before you, like, because people end up like building up things and then realizing, hey, this doesn't work. Right. And then they tear it back down. Yeah.

[00:18:03] You want to think about efficiency. You want to think about how things are going to work. You know, do you need to be near your livestock so that you can protect it from predators? You know, things like that. Yet how far away do you want them from the house that, you know, it's not a big pain to go feed them, but you also don't smell the pigs in your bedroom. You know that.

[00:18:26] Last week, my wife was telling me that she looked out the bedroom window and there was a red-tailed hawk fucking up one of the ducks. Yeah. And so she just popped the window open and started throwing things at it and chased it off. But I mean, if it's across the lawn, you know, she doesn't have that kind of arm, you know? And what was on the windowsill that she threw? Well, it was some Christmas presents. But I mean... Yeah, but they were from you. Did she really appreciate them anyway? They were for me.

[00:18:55] So it wasn't her stuff. So it's all right. Right. It was all right. But I mean, you know, it's one of those things that you have to be aware of when you're setting up your property. You know, you don't want to set up your garden in the spot that doesn't get any, you know, sun for half the day. You don't want to set up your greenhouse in the shade. You know, you want to be conscientious and you might have to take down a couple of trees and you might have to realize, oh, this has sun now.

[00:19:23] But in two years, these trees are going to be tall enough that it's not going to be getting any sun. And you kind of have to think ahead with that sort of stuff. You don't want to waste your time building something that's not going to work long term, you know? Yeah. And you have to think about, am I going to be able to have internet there?

[00:19:42] Is my whole way of supporting my off-grid lifestyle going to be making an awesome survival podcast and then not have internet? You know, that's the thing. So Starlink, it's been slow coming. But now all the giant trees I had blocking out my Starlink, I just cut them all down. Or actually, I had somebody else cut them down. It was even better. But there were some big scary 60-footers, you know.

[00:20:13] So hopefully, my internet will be better now and everything will be the dream. But it took a long time to get there. You know, you have to come up with a plan. So how do you make money while you're living off-grid, right? Because there are certain things. You do have to pay for some taxes. You maybe get some clothes. Maybe you get some animal feed to keep things going.

[00:20:40] One of the big things with animal feed we'll get into. But there's a balance between predators and foraging, right? So you have to find a way to get everything to exist together. So bottom line, a lot of times you need money to run a homestead.

[00:21:01] So money is going to come from maybe, like I said, maybe it's a podcast or writing articles or some social media thing that you have a fantasy of making. Maybe you have like a remote job and you can do that. That's awesome. Not everybody can find a way to pull it out. I can't find a way to pull out living the lifestyle I want to live and make money doing that, right?

[00:21:29] That's not an option for me, but maybe somebody could figure that out. Firewood and timber, right? That's a big thing. Cutting and selling firewood or making logs or sawmill, that kind of thing. That all works, but you're going to need land and a lot to do that, right? You're not going to have an acre homestead and you're going to sell firewood.

[00:21:53] Maybe you go to other homesteads and you cut firewood or cut other people's woods and mill their lumber and sell it and whatever. But you're probably not doing it on your own property, but then you're getting very close to having a job, right? But that's okay. Maybe that's the life you want to live, right? You want to be the tree guy who goes around and handles things and you can live like that. That's cool.

[00:22:22] You can also grow things, right? Vegetables, crops, hay, eggs, honey, ginseng, nut trees, that kind of stuff. There's a lot of money to be made from nut trees. Honey really works. Honey is expensive, but you got to put some effort into selling it or you got to establish something. Same thing. People do syrup, that kind of stuff.

[00:22:46] I know people up in New York, you have the right property, Vermont, New York, whatever, Massachusetts. You can collect enough syrup and do all that to basically live off of in like the three months and do that. But you need the right property first, you know? Or you got to have somebody who's down for you going and tapping all their trees. And that's a lot of work for those three months or whatever while you do it.

[00:23:16] But people do it. And I do know of people who make like 60 grand pulling syrup out of their trees. You know, that's kind of cool. But you got to find a way to do it, right? You got to find something that works for you. Boarding animals. That's one of the things people do. Turning over livestock. But that's hard, you know? And you can breed it. You can sell it.

[00:23:39] If you're good at butchering and doing that, you can get organized and sell pigs and rabbits and chickens and all that stuff. And, you know, I used to say that, you know, raising chickens for your own eggs, you know, it's a great way to save money. But, you know, you're not going to make money selling eggs. Unless they're $40. Yeah. That might not be the case anymore.

[00:24:05] I know, you know, bird flu is a big scary thing that's going on everywhere. And we had some issues locally around this area. And so, you know, we've been watching out lately, keeping our eyes open. And, you know, there's a lot of wild birds that will, you know, come in, show up and try and eat the duck food. And, you know, some of those wild birds actually will be spreading that avian flu.

[00:24:32] You know, you can keep all your stuff as isolated as possible and you're still running the risk of losing all your chickens. And, you know, once one gets it, that's it, man. That's everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It definitely, you know, disease and that kind of stuff. And then, again, that goes back to the kind of free range or do you have to buy feed, right?

[00:24:55] So, one of the big things, I've always been insistent on my chickens kind of being free range and doing that kind of thing. And we would, like, feed them in the morning and feed them at night a little bit. They'd be out clearing ticks on the property and the fantasy is great. We'd randomly have issues with a fox or whatever, come and take a couple out. But then it just has progressively gotten worse.

[00:25:25] Obviously, this is where I am. It's not the same for everybody. The hawks and everybody just come by and, you know, eat my chickens. And that's not sustainable, right? I can't lose two chickens a day and, you know, keep that thing going. So, yeah, it's cool that I get free feed. Yeah, it's cool that they're out eating ticks. It's cool that the chickens are healthier and better because they're all free range.

[00:25:55] But it doesn't always work. And that's the thing. So, you have to find a way to do it. It's funny. I talked to a farmer when I was a kid about cattle. And I was like, so, if I don't want to actually, like, grow fields of hay, I just want to have my cattle free range. And I want to be able to sell cattle and make enough money, you know, to keep it going. How big of a, you know, property do I need?

[00:26:24] And they're all like, yeah, about a thousand acres. And I'm like, oh, that's not going to happen for me, you know. Exactly. Exactly. You know, and it takes a lot of land to do free range, you know, for more than just, you know, a few chickens or something like that. If you have goats, if you have cows, you know, you need a lot of property. And, you know, it's not crazy to, you know, have neighbors that are willing to let your goats, you know, roam on their land.

[00:26:53] You know, it's completely reasonable. A lot of people say, great, I don't have to mow my lawn as often anymore, you know. All those overgrown bushes in the back, you know, now, you know, now it's not an issue. The big thing is solar farms like to have the goats come over and hang out. Yeah. They just eat right around. Yeah, I had a friend that actually had an issue with that.

[00:27:17] He, they asked him if they wanted to, if he wanted to use the goats for, to go around like overpasses and stuff by the thruway, you know, all along the, you know, all along the structures around the roads. And he got all his goats off of milking and then they said, nah, nevermind. And so he ended up having to sell all his goats because, you know, he got screwed over, but I mean it. Because the deal fell through, huh? The deal fell through, right.

[00:27:47] So now he was just out of luck, you know, now he's not making milk or making income. Yeah. Now that, that's a big thing. I think another thing is to be able to look and assess your property and take time to, hey, what's working for me and what's not? You know, am I spending half my day getting water or, you know, or irrigating my water, right?

[00:28:16] Is that, is that where my big time sucker is or, you know, assess what's going on on your property and then start to think of ways that you can change it. And there's nothing wrong with, well, one, you know, start researching, go on the internet, read some books and see. But sometimes you got to do, you know, you got to actually take action and try and trial and error and see what's works and what doesn't work for you.

[00:28:44] But you got to look around and, and see, you know, how you can make it work. Cause like, you know, I, I watch, you know, people struggle with water and I see them spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars trying to come up with a solution. And I'm like, it was nothing for me to set up the solar and, and set up a solar pump, you know? And it's just, you have to figure out the right thing that's going to work. There are other ideas out there.

[00:29:14] There's things with predators, you know, eventually you need to give up fighting predators and Hey, maybe they need to be less free range. I watched one on that back to that homestead rescue show.

[00:29:27] You know, these people were insistent on their pigs being free range, but when the mom pig was getting pregnant and the babies won that the boars were basically trying to, they would smash into the pregnant mom. And, you know, try and get her to abort. So she'd go back into heat and that kind of stuff, you know, you have to different things that just, you have to accept reality.

[00:29:57] And I think that's a hard thing. It's hard to mesh reality with the fantasy. And I think that's something that you need to be willing to do in order to truly like have a productive life.

[00:30:13] You know, I mean, I think that comes up in life in general where we need to be able to see what we want and what really is and find a way to make those two worlds work together. Right. That sound reasonable. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:32] And, you know, as much as, as people like the idea of living off grid, there's a lot you can, there's a lot you can do even when you're living on grid to limit, you know, limit your situation. You know, collecting your rainwater, setting up solar panels so that you can have some, some electricity without relying entirely.

[00:30:57] You know, maybe you still have your electricity hooked up, but you're not relying entirely on the power company. You know, you have a big windstorm and maybe you are the only one that still has electricity because of the solar panels. Maybe, you know, maybe you've got a generator that you only run for a couple hours a day to charge up your computer and your, and your cell phones and then turn it off again.

[00:31:21] You know, but, uh, you know, a lot of the things that we deal with, uh, a lot of the things that come up, you don't even think about, you know, um, getting rid of your waste. You don't have a lot of trash if you're harvesting all your own food and all your own, you know, your own, uh, meat and cheese and milk, but you still have compost everything. Right. Right. You can't compost. Yeah. You can't compost everything. You have to buy some things.

[00:31:49] And, uh, you know, and I'm a lunatic. I, I burn all my paper trash because I'm a, you know, I'm a crazy person. I don't want people getting my, my old mail, anything that's got my name or address on it. It's, it's burnt. You know, I compost all my stuff. You know, I, I make a trip to the dump. So I'm in control of my garbage all the time. You know what I mean? I put it out on the street, but. You know, at the same time. The FBI is not going through your trash, Kevin. Not my trash.

[00:32:17] But at the same time, I still have trash. You know, I still have things that I, you know, that are plastic. It's not going to compost. It's not going to, you can burn plastic. I know. I know. But I don't, I try not to do that as much as possible. My, my kid's a little hippie. And so he yells at me if I do, but. That's good. They always come back and haunchy, you know. Uh-huh. But, you know, when it comes to food, there's a lot of other ways to get food.

[00:32:46] You know, aside of growing it, aside of just getting it from the grocery store. You know, a lot of people are really talented, really good at foraging. You know, I, I'm not great at that. You know what I mean? I can't always spot the right mushrooms. I don't trust myself enough to be like, oh, this is definitely an edible one. And then, you know, what? Then you have diarrhea until you die. I don't, but I mean, there's a lot of people that are, and it, and it's a skill. It's something that you learn. Great.

[00:33:16] You know, and a lot of people do, you know, obviously livestock and, and chickens. And, you know, another great thing is if you have water on your property, you can do, you know, you can be fishing. But there's a lot of, a lot of ways that you can get your food that isn't just growing, you know, your vegetables. And you need to look at multiple options, you know. Great, great.

[00:33:46] You eat spinach for three meals a day. That's, that's great. But it gets old real fast. I like it. Turns out if you're just straight vegetarian, your teeth can fall out. That's the rumor I heard. Yeah, I don't, I don't recommend it. I mean, it's really expensive to be a, a, a vegan, you know. Yeah. You got to find a way to make it work. But that's the thing is just, there are ways to do it, but kind of know what you're getting into, right?

[00:34:14] That's the, the whole thing. And, and it's all about finding balance and going in with your eyes kind of wide open, right? I think the biggest takeaway is to learn to use people who are doing it, right? To talk to people. And it's not just the internet. And I watched videos and I saw, go talk to people who are really doing it. Mm-hmm.

[00:34:38] And, and also people who are doing it where you're doing it or people who are actually, you know, living the life that you want to live. Say you have the fantasy of, well, we're going to have the free range animals all in the house and everything. Go, go visit those people. Right. You know, go check it out and see what happens. You know, we have to find a way to work in the world that you want to be in. And I think that's the answer.

[00:35:07] But I don't know, just thought we'd kind of get into it because, you know, people always have that fantasy and the idea of it. And it's definitely possible, but you need to put yourself in the best position to get into it. Right. And it turns out it is a lot of hard work. Yeah. It's more work than a 40-hour job. And you're constantly going, yeah, it's not, oh, well, I can quit my job because my job sucks. Mm-hmm.

[00:35:33] But yeah, if it's just because you don't like work, might not be the answer. Yeah, it might not be the way to go. So, you know, now a hermit in the little house with nothing, that might work for you. But the other way where you're providing everything, you know, if you just want to eat tuna fish, that's maybe a way to go. But I don't know. Anyway, that's what I got. I appreciate you guys sticking around, checking us out.

[00:36:01] Anyway, show ideas, thoughts, concerns, things you want to hear about, things you want to tell Kevin. Email us at preppingbadass at gmail.com. Otherwise, I would say stay safe and we will talk to you guys next week.

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