I Spent a Night in an Underground Bunker

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[00:00:41] Hello, Rye. Welcome back to the Survival and Basic Badass Podcast. Kevin and Chuck. Today, well, we're going to talk about underground bunkers and the apocalypse. I actually visited one and we have some cool stories.

[00:00:59] So the thing is, I don't know, preppers and bunkers seem to go hand in hand. There's a lot of threats, nuclear disaster, there's hurricanes, there's tornadoes. There's a lot of things. Believe it or not, even earthquakes. Underground is not necessarily the worst thing.

[00:01:21] The ground, the layers, different absorb a little bit, but we'll talk about it. We'll get into it. I'm not saying go underground for an earthquake. I'm just saying there are some, it's not as horrible as you think.

[00:01:33] So anyway, there's a lot of threats out there and things that you might want to be a little protected from, have some real shelter. There's that show Doomsday Preppers. They have a lot of people who build bunkers and there's all types. Let's talk about some of the types of bunkers. All right. All right. So, so let's, we'll go through some of the basic ones.

[00:02:00] Trench bunkers. I think we're all kind of familiar with that sort of stuff. That's, you know, like World War I. That's, you know, getting down below the ground level, you know, trying to, trying to keep from getting hit by, by bullets and small arms fire and, and artillery and things like that.

[00:02:19] And it's basically, you're basically digging a hole, you know, basically getting, getting below the, the, the ground level and, and getting, you know, getting out of the way of stuff. And there's pillbox bunkers. And if you've ever watched a World War II movie, you kind of know what that is. It's just a, a small fortified structure. You know, it's, you know, a couple inches of concrete, little box with some holes, or you can look out and see what's going on. Yeah.

[00:02:49] Now you were a CB. Were you trained in building pillbox bunkers? Did you guys bring in your own cinder blocks or what happened here? No, no. I actually, uh, the, the group I was with was basically loading, uh, loading and offloading, uh, construction equipment off and onto, uh, to beaches. All right. So we didn't, didn't build a whole lot of stuff. We were just, uh, equipment movers.

[00:03:13] So when it says we fight, we build, it was more like, well, we'll show up and help you start the, start the truck. Well, we'll bring the backup. Yeah. No, there were guys that were equipment operators. I was not, not that guy though. Gotcha.

[00:03:38] Um, they're basically manufacturing places that, uh, they're designed to like, um, they were camouflaged and, uh, you know, design to withstand aerial bombardment, you know, basically, you know, planes drop and stuff on it. A lot of times they would put like camouflage it, you know, like it looked like just regular, you know, ground grass and stuff like that. So that, you know, you wouldn't really be able to spot it from the air. Right.

[00:04:08] Then there's fallout bunkers. And this is kind of what we were talking about when we were doing the podcast. Right. So fallout protect, uh, it's designed to, uh, protect from mechanical and thermal effects of a nuclear explosion and radioactive fallout after allowing them to,

[00:04:26] survive for a period of time deemed sufficient to allow them to safely escape. So, um, you know, we'll talk about that a little bit, but, but, uh, fallout, you know, you can't just, uh, you know, the blast goes, goes off and then, uh, you know, you got to wait out the radiation a little bit, you know, with nukes. So it's a little bit more tricky and, uh, you know, there aren't very many bunkers that are going to withstand, withstand a direct hit. Right.

[00:04:56] From a new, but there's some, there's some, um, and that's, yeah. I mean, I remember them advertising that, but I didn't know how true that would really be. So I was just looking while you were talking, I just pulled up some, uh, bunker buster bomb stuff. And, uh, I was looking, I was like, you know, I wonder how good they really are, you know? Right. And believe it or not, they're saying now, again, these are not nukes.

[00:05:23] These are designed to attack bunkers, but they said 40 meters through moderate rock. Right. That that's pretty damn impressive. Pretty damn deep. Now I remember they were firing those off. Remember when, uh, we were looking for Osama bin Laden in, in, uh, Afghanistan and all those caves built. Right. Even with the bunker busters, they couldn't get to all of them. You know, some of them had, yeah, you don't know.

[00:05:51] Yeah. And you have little tunnels that go off in the, you know, like I might get you here, but. Osama is, is under an entire mountain, you know, you probably have a better than, than not chance of surviving a direct hit. It's like whack-a-mole, right? You got to wait until they pop their head and then. Yeah. Now, uh, Switzerland has kind of like a, uh, interesting situation. They basically build road tunnels through the mountains there.

[00:06:18] You know, Switzerland's a very mountainous country. Yeah. And they basically build road tunnels through the mountains. And those are the fallout. They're designed for fallout shelters as well. So they can be closed off. And they said, you know, tens of thousands of people can fit in these tunnels, you know, all over the, all over the country. It's weird. China and Russia have tons of fallout shelters that they can go to.

[00:06:45] And like, they're massive and ventilation and, you know, floors deep, especially around Moscow and, you know, places that they assume would be, you know, direct targets kind of thing. Right. And I mean, deep, deep, I mean, I know we talk about, Oh, under the Pentagon or under the Pentagon or under the white house, whatever. But they actually have a lot of citizen ready bunkers. I guess if you plan on pissing people off, you got to prepare a little bit, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:13] So you'd think somebody like me, my whole backyard should be a bunker. I mean, I probably built something near work, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Now I, I got, so, so let's go through like some of the basics that you need for, for a fallout bunker. Yeah. So they say 10 times the thickness of any quantity of material capable of cutting gamma ray exposure in half. So be 10 times.

[00:07:43] These are, these are list of things here. Half inch of lead. So obviously five inches of lead, two and a half inches at all. Okay. Yeah. Three and a half inches of packed earth. So that surprises me that it was only three and a half inches. A packer, it's first the lead. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's, it's 10 times that, but it's still, you know, it's still pretty, pretty light. Yeah.

[00:08:11] No, that's, that's kind of crazy. Actually. That's just to cut out, cut down on fallout though. That's not going to protect you from, you know, from direct hits. All right. Now you got, Kevin, if somebody drops a nuclear bomb on me though, I mean, really, you know, how prepared can you really be? I mean, I checked it out. You know, there's a map you can go and look at and see, you know, see who's going to make

[00:08:41] it and who isn't going to make it in the United States. They can't, they can't turn the whole country into rubble. Can't they? They, they, they kind of can. Yeah. But I thought I'm, I'm in a, in a medium level radiation area. Okay. So not going to get bombed, but I'm going to be, you know, in my basement for, for two weeks. Right. You know, sheltering in place at men. So you want to take, take a look at that map and see what's going on.

[00:09:09] If you live in New York city or Washington DC, that's it, dude. That's a wrap, you know, parties over parties over. That's bad. Now you, you dug deep. You read a book on, on bunkers, right? Yeah. Yeah. I did read a book on bunkers and the, and a lot of them are, um, a lot of them are focused on location. You know what I mean?

[00:09:34] So specifically they're out of the way, you know, they're in these areas that are going to, you know, not get a lot of, uh, radiation from, from full scale. Okay. Um, and that was, that was kind of the main thing was the location. Right. And, uh, you know, I saw a lot of people, they had like, um, uh, pictures they had like, it was basically just a regular house built out of, you know, poured concrete, you know, not cinder blocks, but concrete. Right. You know, slabs.

[00:10:05] And what they do is they, uh, they build the, they pour the walls, the foundation, the walls, and then they, they just pour a slab with rebar in it and they pick it up with a crane and just set it on top, you know? Okay. So, uh, a lot of these were, a lot of the ones that I saw were old, like munitions factories and old, like, well, I said, if the government already built this place, why would we, you know, reinvent the wheel?

[00:10:33] You know, that's the thing it's already there. Right. Right. The trick is like, how comfortable do you want to be? That's really what it comes down to. You know, you can get in a, uh, a concrete box with no windows and sit in the dark and, you know, pee in a jar for, for a month and that's fine. But, you know, it doesn't sound like a lot of fun. You know, you're not going to be living the high life down there. That's it. I mean, you can be Cloverfield or you can be, uh, I guess that, that he's, he's got it a little bit rough.

[00:11:04] And then there was that, that movie with, uh, Brendan Frazier that, uh, they're living the high life down there. They were living the high life cocktails and I'll get to the bottom of it. You keep going. Yeah. It was Christopher Walken was the dad in that. I thought that was a good movie. Um, yeah. So one of the main things you want to think about when you're, when you're designing your own bunker climate control, right?

[00:11:31] So if it's, if it's perfectly sealed, you're just going to eventually suffocate. You're eventually going to asphyxiate. So you have to have some air moving through your bunker, you know, but you don't want to be pumping in all the fallout radiation air. So I looked into it. There's a Kearney air pump, which is the basic, you know, the basic run of the mill. That's the standard, you know?

[00:11:59] And, uh, it, it only has a small filter. And the reason is that, uh, the small fine dust particles that are radioactive aren't going to have a lot of effect on it. Last from the past is the name of the movie. You should check. I should, I should rewatch that movie. It was a good movie. It was entertaining. Um, uh, where was that? So, yeah.

[00:12:23] So, so you basically, you want a basic air, air pump that's moving air into the thing, running through a filter that's just going to filter out the larger particles. Right. Um, and then, uh, you know, that's basically it. You're going to have it so that the, the Kearney air pump basically has, has slats that open up when you turn the fan on and then slam shut, you know, once you turn the fan off. So it's not always bringing air in.

[00:12:54] Yeah. I mean, I, I see these types of, uh, pumps all the time in like, um, uh, places where they store chemicals, you know, you turn it on and air blows out, but it's, you know, if it's the dead of winter, you don't want that, you know, that vet open all the time. Um, just when you're in there, you can talk, uh, you know, you can look up smoke filters and different things. It depends what you want. I mean, obviously a nuclear disaster, hopefully there's not going to be, you know, tons of smoke.

[00:13:23] Hopefully you're not in the middle of a wildfire caused by it or whatever. I mean, you know, again, you can prepare for what you can prepare for. Um, but you do need to get ventilation and even as much as like a sheet could, you know, stop a lot in front of your vent as far as nuclear particles and things like that. Um, you know, but so anyway, FEMA put out a book on actually building underground bunkers and safe rooms.

[00:13:51] And they talk about ventilation and about how to put the pipe in and, you know, the way it should be structured, but basically they talk about, they actually give a list and I'll put a link in the, in the show notes to the book, but they, they put in like, if you have one person, you probably need four inch pipe and you need two pipes for ventilation. If you have four people, you need eight inch pipe and three pipes.

[00:14:20] So that it dramatically, you know, you, you need some ventilation and it is something to think about that, you know, that you're going to have to plan for, uh, the FEMA book where I got that list was called taking shelter from the storm. They have a building or installing safe rooms for your home. So that's, you know, something you might want to check out. I'll put a link, like I said, in the show notes. So you guys can, Hey, if the government's going to put it together and give it to you for free.

[00:14:49] However, when you build that shelter, the government's going to think you're crazy and put you on a list. So it's kind of an enigma there, but yeah, well, I mean, whatever, whatever. One of the ones that I was, uh, that I was in was, um, you know, it was basically a, a big concrete box and a metal hatch on the top and with a ladder that goes down and the only real in the sewer. No, no.

[00:15:16] The only real, uh, the only real ventilation they had was, it was basically a four inch pipe, like you're talking about that went up and did a gooseneck. So it was facing down with a screen on it, you know? Yeah. And, uh, you know, it did not seem like a fun place that I wanted to hang out, you know, for an extended period of time. But I mean, whatever, maybe, maybe you got to set up a library down there or something, you know? Exactly. You got to find a way to pass the time.

[00:15:42] I read a book a while back called, uh, the 50 hour and up underground house book. And, uh, Mike Oler, I think he's passed on since he wrote the book, but, uh, anyway, he did a book on building underground. He did underground houses. And I got to say, if you're the do it yourself guy, this book is all day, the right thing.

[00:16:07] Now we'll talk about different ones you can buy and different things you can do, but he builds it. Now I've seen some people revisit it and try and recreate these. I have not tried to build one of these, although it's, it's in my dream plan. So I'm just not there. Um, and, uh, people are saying it's more like if you take the corrections that he's noted and said, Hey, I made a mistake, do this.

[00:16:33] It's it's kind of becomes the like $500 underground house, but in today's world, that ain't bad. No, that's not, that's not bad. Um, anyway, one of the things I wanted to mention that, that you were talking about is cause you were just saying that it's not a comfortable or happy place to be. Right. And the, uh, the trade-off is, do you want light or do you want protection?

[00:17:00] And being able, like everybody's complaint about the underground website, he had our underground house. He had a website or a forum and everybody's like, yeah, but it's so gloom and doom. And you're just in a cave, you know, and it's dark and we hated it. And we needed some kind of daylight getting in there. Um, I do feel like you could maybe find a way to like recreate sunlight that, you know, do things, but it's not good.

[00:17:28] You need one of those big flat led TVs that look like a window, like, Oh, I'm looking outside. But, uh, you know, I don't, I don't know what the right answer is for that, but the trade-off of how do I not get water in there yet? I get daylight and I get the protection. Mm-hmm. And cause the more exposed you are, the more, you know, rain and turns out when you dig a hole, you wouldn't believe, but when it rains, that's where the water goes, where the water goes. It goes in the hole.

[00:17:58] When they make bathtubs, when they want to get rid of the water, they put a hole in the bottom. That's how holes work. And that's where water wants to go. So it's all about sealing that up and closing it. And so anywhere you're going to get light now, I know you're saying, well, water doesn't go through glass Chuck. Well, that's true. It comes through the walls though. Then do you have, yeah, it doesn't end well. So just something to think about.

[00:18:26] Anyway, if you are interested in the do it yourself kind of thing, like I said, that, you know, $50 and a book is awesome and awesome ideas. His big thing is like terraces and he does the kind of gooseneck ventilation, like you were talking about. And, but having terraces in front of it, kind of like up to a regular level and then having the roof come up over it, you know, over the terraced area.

[00:18:52] And believe it or not, one of his big problems was he kept talking about how bears kept trying to come freaking take over his house. It's like, I'd go out and there'd be a bear, you know, like he talks about like three different times. He's come home to bears in the book. It was pretty crazy. But so actually you guys, we talk about how, you know, I, I actually spent the night in a bunker one time and, and that's the thing.

[00:19:20] It was actually like an old bear cave that somebody had converted into a bunker and it was pretty sketchy. It was, it was in a hillside and it had a, it had been dug out by a bear and then a guy found it, you know, the bear had moved on. I think usually they like get too big for the hole and they give up on it or whatever. And then he had dug it out, you know, more and cleaned out all the crap and the piss and

[00:19:46] the, you know, but this like had a reasonable, I'd say like three foot by three foot entrance, like a circle, a three foot diameter circle. And he had, you know, run into just some cots on like a dirt floor and he'd shorted up with some boards. Basically his explanation was keeping the dirt and the whatever from, you know, falling on your head.

[00:20:13] But at no point is that a fun time that you want to hang out and stay there. And it's just gloom and doom, but he's like, but it's secret. And it's, you know, that's the thing. Like I've read some prepper books and you know, that's the, the people who last are the ones who nobody knows you're there. You know, that's the whole thing, but can't have fires, can't have, you know, all that stuff just gives away. So it's tough, but I don't know.

[00:20:40] Back to this book, like what other ideas did they have in yours? In the, the one you read it, what was it called? It was called bunker. What it takes to survive the apocalypse. Yeah. So, so there's a lot of, a lot of these, a lot of them were companies were building these, you know, you could buy, you know, buy the package and they would come and set it up. You know, basically what they would do is excavate a big hole and pour a concrete pad.

[00:21:10] And then they would bring in a crane and set like these metal rooms and just kind of weld them together. And then, you know, build the stair, you know, stairs going up. And, uh, you know, you could build whatever you want to know that the access point, you want to be able to open the door in, you know what I mean? Cause if a bunch of shit explodes all around you and you're trying to get out and you got to push the door and there's shit in front of it, you're, you're fucked. You know?

[00:21:39] So you want to be able to open the door in and then you can kind of get your, get yourself out of there if, if there's, you know, something happening. But a lot of people were building like small sheds over the, over the door. So it looked like a tool shed and you go inside and then there's a door, you know, down to the, you know, down to the bunker. Yeah, no, exactly. That's one of the things, like even one of the, the prepper books, uh, I think it was like there's a series, uh, days of Noah and then days of Elijah.

[00:22:09] And in the second half, they end up like hiding out in a cave and there's a big earthquake and they're good in the, in the cave, but it ends up like blocking the entrance and they're digging out and like, you know, big rocks had shifted and, and they're like trying to break apart giant rocks. And of course, when you don't know how far the rocks go on the outside, you know, is there, did a giant meteor hit right there?

[00:22:35] That's, you know, eight feet diameter or what am I chipping through here? 500 tons of rock between you and the exit. Yeah. Right. Whereas it turned out if you went three feet to the left, you might've been five, but you don't know. And that, that could be very overwhelming. So at least having the door open in, at least not being able to, you know, having to break through your own door is not your biggest obstacle. So that's probably pretty cool. It sounds smart.

[00:23:03] One of the things I always hear people talk about is conax boxes and burying those. But one of the tricks you got to remember is the roof of that and how much dirt waves are not, cause I know you're thinking, well, I've seen ships and they stack those boxes really high, but they stack them on the frame on the outside, right? You have that square rectangle frame. And then frame to frame, they go up high. Yeah.

[00:23:29] But the actual sheet metal roof dirt weighs a lot and you got to think about it. But if you put beams over it and, you know, I mean, it would be built properly. Yeah. And the walls, same thing. The walls can cave in as well. You know, it's a matter of time. You can even spend, you know, a couple of years and, and a couple of, a couple of hundred grand building these conax box bunkers. And they last two years and then it's caving in on you, you know?

[00:23:57] That does not sound like the life you want to live. So yeah. Sometimes going to the pros is the good answer. But then again, how many times have we seen people like you, you get something on Ali Express and I don't know if it's going to be the, you know, or whatever. You might be able to get a couple of like reputable companies. Okay. So there's Atlas Survival Shelters. Okay. USA Bunker Company. All right. Hardly Structures and Harder and Shelters.

[00:24:26] That's the three companies there. And they're all, they're all reputable. But I mean, you're looking to spend like a minimum of 40 grand for like a really basic thing. You know, that's, that's like a, a, a, you know, 10 foot by 10 foot room. You're not. You're saying I should borrow against my 401k and make this happen. I would say that unless you have like 400 grand to spend, don't bother. You know, you got to build that shit yourself, man.

[00:24:57] So I think one of the, yeah, go ahead. One of the, one of the things that, that, uh, uh, one of the, one of the things that are used for being underground are those, um, those concrete boxes they have for, uh, for like sewage and, you know, rainwater, things like that. They build these big square boxes that are concrete and you just bury them in the ground. And I've seen them link together. Yeah. Like that's exactly what I do. Yep. Yeah.

[00:25:26] So you could build it that way. And those are fairly inexpensive. You got to dig it, you know, you got to level out the ground and everything, you know, get ready for it and then have them brought in and set in place. Okay. But, um, I don't know. It's tricky to build one yourself. That's not going to kill you. You know, you don't want it caving in on you while you're in there, you know, maybe read a book. Yeah. Maybe read some books. Watch some YouTube videos.

[00:25:53] However, this is not the video for your construction advice. Yeah. Now, Kevin is actually, are you, you used to be a union carpenter back in the day. That's right. And I've built, I've built concrete, you know, frames for basements and all sorts of stuff. Kevin, there's tricks. I feel like I could build my own, my own bunker with a, you know, a couple of friends helping me out. But your union cart has expired. It has expired. I'm no longer a union member.

[00:26:22] I don't know if all that shit just evaporates out of my brain. Believe it or not, you don't pay. You don't pay. You don't get to keep your knowledge. Nope. All right. Now, one of the things though, I touched on earlier, I want to talk about is, is the air filtration, right? So we talked about the fans and the filters, but that doesn't really help you against like a poison gas attack. Do you remember in that movie Cloverfield Lane?

[00:26:52] Yes. Whatever the name of that, that movie was with John Goodman. So that one was a, was a gas attack. Remember it was aliens with poison gas. Because they, they know how to get you. They know how to get you. So, I mean, he had a system set up where it ran through fish tanks. And if the fish died, you knew to turn the air system off, but the fish didn't die and they didn't turn their system off. I don't know.

[00:27:20] Like if all your fish die and you turn it off, then what? You know, you just hold your breath. Yeah. Hold your breath. There's so many different types of biological and, and poison, poison gases that they can, that can be used that you need a million different types of filters for each scenario. And you can get a filter that will filter out mustard gas that are filter out anthrax that'll filter out anything.

[00:27:49] But like each one is its own thing. And each one has to have, you know, has to have its own setup. So, I mean, there's a lot of carbon filter setups that, you know, they work for a lot of stuff. Um, you know, obviously if they can make a gas mask for it, they can use that same filter for an air filtration system, but they're not cheap, man. You're looking at big bucks for anything that's, uh, you know, It's going to last. Right.

[00:28:18] That'll do time and stop stuff. Right. It, right. It's money. You obviously want to build a bunker. If you're going to invest that much time in it, you want to build, you know, at least a hundred year bunker, you know, not that you're going to be in there a hundred years, but I'd rather not. Yeah. But you want to be in there 50 years from now, shit goes down. You want, you know, you want to still be able to access it and use it. Yeah, no, exactly. You want it to last. And that's the thing is that delicate balance.

[00:28:47] You know, how do you judge your time and how do you judge where your money is better spent? Right. Like, oh, maybe I should just be buying more long-term food. Maybe I should buy more, uh, you know, more first aid gear. Maybe I just need to buy a lot more guns and ammo. Like you don't know where the world ends, you know, exactly what's going to happen. And that's the thing. That's like really what prepping comes down to is, you know, assessing the world, looking

[00:29:17] at all the threats that are out there and deciding what's most likely. And sometimes which one of my dollars can be best spent to cover the most disasters, right? Or, you know, the best long-term and you just slowly get better and better. And that's all we do. You know, that's education. That's making money. You just assess like, Hey, where can I put my effort to get me the most of what I want out of life?

[00:29:44] And maybe that's just spending time with your family and not doing things. You know, maybe we don't have a TV or the internet or video games or whatever, a new car, but I get to hang out with my family every day. And maybe that's, what's important. I'm just saying there's options out there, Kevin, or maybe you don't want to be around your family and maybe you're like, I'd rather just be at work and whatever and get away from I feel that energy. I don't know. You know, you gotta, you gotta pick and choose what's right for you.

[00:30:14] No, that's a joke. But I mean, you know, the, the, uh, the other option that we haven't talked about is, um, building a safe room. Yeah. You can do that a lot cheaper than building a, building a bunker. You know, they do call those a coffin sometimes. Yup. Yup. That could be, that could be true. Um, but if you think about it and you walk around your house, um, you know, just shooting

[00:30:42] guns off, I love shooting guns. It'll go, it'll go right through all your walls. You know what I mean? Most of them. I would, you know, you see those, those, uh, movies and stuff where the guy shoots out the window and then ducks behind the wall. Those bullets are going to go right through that wall. It's not going to stop it. Actually behind me, this isn't a green screen. This is foot thick right here. Yeah. You might be safe. I might be all right, but I got a lot of windows. The wife's like, we need more light. We need more light.

[00:31:09] So there's more windows that I'd like to, uh, but go on. Yeah. But I mean, uh, you know, building a safe room is fairly easy. You know, uh, your walls right now are probably constructed with, you know, two by sixes, maybe plywood and some drywall, you know, you could take an exacto knife and, and cut a hole and kick through the wall of your house. If you wanted to break into some, you know, your own house.

[00:31:37] People have these like battery power saws cut right through. People have these fortress doors and I'm like, they're just going to go to the wall right next to it. Like it's nothing. Right. Exactly. So, you know, building your safe, safe room. You want to have some sort of, some sort of a solid barrier. You know, you want to pour some concrete, even cinder blocks or, or something, you know, when they say concealment and cover consuming means hiding.

[00:32:03] Somebody breaks in your house and you hide in a closet, it's not going to, it's not going to protect you, you know? Yeah. Um, but, uh, cover that's different, you know, something that you can get in by gate behind, you know, something that's going to stop a bullet, something that's going to stop somebody kick, you know, trying to kick their way in. Right. And, uh, you know, you can go from, you know, basic, basic to, you know, all the way top of

[00:32:30] the line air filtration systems, you know, uh, dedicated landline. So you can call the police and, and whatever, you know, I, everything all the way, you know, all the way from, from, you know, a little four foot by four foot cement block barrier to, you know, all the way in poured concrete and, you know, like I said, air filtration systems, food, water storage, all that sort of stuff.

[00:32:59] And building a small safe room in your house, it's probably a good idea, but when it comes to safe rooms and bunkers, you want more than one exit. You know what I mean? You don't want to be the asshole. That's guess. I'm just here for the rest of my life. You know, you don't want to be the one that's stuck, you know, stuck trapped inside with a, with a boulder laying in front of your door. Exactly.

[00:33:25] One of the things there's that movie, uh, walking tall, I think with the rock. And I always, I, I don't know, he, he, he's the sheriff in the casino and I don't know. I think it's called walk and talk. I don't know what it's called. Um, but anyway, they, they have the trailer and they come back to get them and, uh, he has, you know, he's, he's got the four by four and he's the tough guy like goes in to beat up people. I don't know. Anyway, he has the trailer and it has like a little trap door to get underneath.

[00:33:54] And that's, you know, that's maybe more valuable being able to have an escape than having the safe thing. I'm just saying, you know, just give yourself options. I mean, I'd prefer both, right? I'd like being able to go to a room where I can be protected from somebody trying to get in, but I'd also like the way out of there. Right. Um, especially if you're involved in the new construction of a house, you can create these

[00:34:24] hatches and that kind of thing. Now the cool thing about me living in the South, we have a lot of houses have a, like, uh, a crawl space underneath and people don't usually have basements in the South. Big thing. I think there's a lot of sand and termites and I don't know, people don't go for that kind of thing here. I don't know what the deal is, why we don't have basements, water table, who knows?

[00:34:49] Anyway, but you may want to think about some kind of escape hatches like a crucial thing to your, you know, you need two exits. And the thing is, it can't be obvious the second exit because if it's a safe room and they're like, Oh, there's another door right over there. I'll just cover this door and that door or, you know, whatever. So you got to plan, right? You got to think a little bit outside the box, but that's, that's what's right. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:17] And one of the guys, uh, mentioned in here about the, uh, a lot of the houses are built with the foam board, you know, they use plywood around that, like the corners of the house, maybe around the door and window, but a lot of it is just foam board. And honestly, you could cut through the siding and the foam board with a, with an, an exacto knife and cut through the drywall and you're inside. It's not like, uh, you know, it's not like, uh, um, I don't know. A lot of these houses just don't seem safe to me as far as protecting yourself from, you know, and that's what you think.

[00:35:47] You're like, Oh, well my house is for protection. Well, is it, is it, or is it just built to keep the rain out and the air conditioning in? I mean, that's, that's really more of the goal. Yeah. Um, I mean, it may be not what the goal should be, but that's where it ends up. Right. Right. So, and you can get a nice cheap house. That's, that's built like shit. I don't know. It's funny. I looked exactly. I looked on the internet and there was a lot of books out there.

[00:36:12] Um, as far as underground bunkers and building, I saw one, it was like 43 bucks. It was like underground bunker engineering. And I'm like, Ooh, that looks awesome. They had no pictures. It was just like a great cover. So I have no idea. It could be total crap. And I wasn't going to spy like 10 $50 books. Um, but if you go, if you go on Amazon, you can find like 10, $10 books too, you know? Yeah.

[00:36:38] And that's, and there's a lot of videos on YouTube, but I will say that underground house guy, he did, did a pretty good job. If you're a do it yourself, or, and you're like, I'm not spending 300 grand that don't, you know, it's okay. Yeah. But you got to find what works for you in your world. And again, it's all the balance of the perfect preps, right? It's a balance of what's right. And what's not, uh, you can email us with questions, concerns, show ideas at prepping

[00:37:07] bad-ass at gmail.com. I'll put a link to the new Facebook group in the show notes. So you guys can, uh, you know, move over and check out that. Otherwise I would say, stay safe and we will talk to you guys next week.