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[00:01:25] Low-Ride, welcome back to the Survival and Basic Badass Podcast, Kevin and Chuck.

[00:01:31] Today, we're going to talk about kind of homemade weapons, maybe some prison weapons. And we're

[00:01:39] going to talk about a little bit about assassinations. One of the big things, I think people feel

[00:01:47] threatened when people come for the guns and they take away the guns. And somehow, all these strict

[00:01:56] regimes that do that kind of thing, you end up with assassination attempts and people coming up with

[00:02:03] creative ways to kind of get back at the man. And that's one of the things with banning weapons

[00:02:11] is always that you wonder, are they, people are going to find a way, right? Like China, they have a lot of

[00:02:21] knife attacks. They don't have guns, but you have people who, you know, they just go in and get people

[00:02:27] with machetes or, you know, and this stuff, I mean, you know, you can take a piece of angle iron and a

[00:02:33] grinder and have a knife in short order. It's not like a hard thing. You know, in prisons,

[00:02:39] they've people been making shivs and, and different things. So it's definitely a common occurrence.

[00:02:46] And I think we see them pop up when people become desperate and I don't know, there are just a lot

[00:02:53] of interesting things. And one of the things that, that brought it to mind, uh, was over this last week

[00:03:01] here, we had, uh, the United health, uh, CEO was assassinated in New York city. And Kevin, I have

[00:03:09] to point out in New York city, most people are not allowed to have a gun or a suppressor. People have

[00:03:17] often said that, that New York city might be an oppressive kind of state and, uh, where they try and

[00:03:28] control things a little bit. I've heard that they want to limit how much soda you can get at

[00:03:33] McDonald's. Yeah, that's a fact. That's a fact. I mean, you could just buy two, but you know,

[00:03:40] I think that there, the real problem here is there is some kind of a mix up because apparently this guy

[00:03:46] didn't know that you weren't allowed to have handguns or suppressors in New York state. Yeah. So

[00:03:52] like, I guess he was kind of confused. Maybe he'll turn himself in now that he realized,

[00:03:56] I guess. Yeah. Well, when he hears the podcast, he's going to be like, Oh shit, you know, I was good

[00:04:03] shooting the guy, but I didn't realize I was breaking a law when I went to right. And I watched

[00:04:09] a bunch of like nerds talk about this event that took place and they kept saying shit like gangbanger

[00:04:19] and like stuff like that. Did you get the feel it was a gangbanger? I don't, I did not get that

[00:04:25] impression at all. That wasn't the vibe. No, I, I, I guess I, I didn't mention right in the very

[00:04:31] beginning, his weapon looked a little questionable and kind of got me and Kevin on this homemade weapon

[00:04:37] track. Cause it looked like there's a good chance this might be a homemade weapon, but I don't know.

[00:04:45] We'll see. We're going to kind of check it out and talk about it. But Kevin, what are the details?

[00:04:50] Like, what are people saying? Who and did they arrest them? Is he in jail?

[00:04:55] Yes. So Brian Thompson was going to a meeting. Brian Thompson is the CEO of United healthcare.

[00:05:00] He was going to a meeting. He left his hotel at six 45 in the morning, walked across the street to

[00:05:07] go into the, into the office building. And before he went inside, that's where it took place.

[00:05:14] Okay. So we shot in the back and the right calf is at least, you know, at least twice, but we don't

[00:05:24] know if there's, I'm not clear. It looked like he shot three times. Maybe he missed one time.

[00:05:29] Okay. Um, he, the, the shooter arrived five minutes before Thompson did now.

[00:05:36] So they're offering a $10,000 award for him turning him. Now, remember, I always say that

[00:05:42] they never pay that money. They're not, if you turn this guy in, you're not going to get the $10,000,

[00:05:48] but the $10,000 that's 3% of Brian Thompson's bi-weekly paycheck.

[00:05:54] Like 3% of his two weeks pay. So it's not like anyone's really like after that. It doesn't seem

[00:06:01] like they really give a shit. Like they're just moving on. They're moving somebody else up to see

[00:06:05] on their own business. You know, they don't give a shit about this guy one bit.

[00:06:09] It doesn't sound that way. He sounds like he's as replaceable as I might be at my current place

[00:06:15] of employment. Right now, why did they shoot him? So, I mean, it's all only speculation now. I mean,

[00:06:22] we don't, they haven't captured the guy yet, at least when we're recording this podcast.

[00:06:26] Um, they did find something carved into the shell casings that he left behind.

[00:06:32] Now things they said, he's a gang banger and a professional would pick up the shell casings. But

[00:06:38] if you were leaving a message on the shell casings, obviously you're not going to pick it up.

[00:06:43] Right. They obviously didn't find fingerprints on it or they'd be like, Oh, that's Jimmy.

[00:06:47] They know it. They'd know who it was by now. Right. So he wasn't wearing gloves when he had the gun,

[00:06:53] but that doesn't really mean anything because he didn't touch anything other than the gun.

[00:06:56] Right. And he brought the gun with him to take it. He brought the gun with him and he

[00:07:00] probably threw it in the Hudson. It could be anywhere. I think so. Right.

[00:07:06] So what the, what the shell casings said were deny, defend, depose.

[00:07:12] Oh, I feel like he maybe watched a lot of V for Vendetta.

[00:07:17] Yeah. Well, I will say that that tracks it's part of a title of a book. Oh, oh, oh.

[00:07:28] So the full title of the book is deny, defend, depose. Why insurance companies don't pay claims

[00:07:34] and what you can do about it. Oh, that does sound like that tracks.

[00:07:39] Now United healthcare is, is famous because they deny the average, average company, average

[00:07:47] insurance company dies between five and 10% of claims made. All right. You know, healthcare

[00:07:53] makes a lot of money because they deny 34% of the claims. Yeah. But they're not at the level

[00:07:59] of the VA who probably def nice. What? 90% of claims that see what I did there. Yep. Yep.

[00:08:08] Now the same day that he was shot, uh, another, uh, health insurance company came out, uh,

[00:08:17] blue cross blue shield. And they said, Hey, we're going to start approving some shit. No, no.

[00:08:23] Well, they did, but they, what they did was they came out with a statement saying that any, uh,

[00:08:30] any, uh, anesthesia, any, uh, any surgery that goes longer than expected, that extra

[00:08:39] anesthesia isn't covered. Oh, so if your sage surgeon takes a little bit longer and you start

[00:08:44] waking up while you're, you know, they got your insides opened up. Apparently, I don't know.

[00:08:48] They just give you a stick to bite on or something. I don't know what the plan is.

[00:08:52] Now that's what they were saying. How do they get that? Like, Hey, are we okay to proceed?

[00:08:56] Are you going to pay for this?

[00:08:58] Mm-hmm. I don't, I don't know. I don't know what the, what they do, but, uh, Kathy Hochul,

[00:09:03] that's the, uh, um, the governor of New York right now. She's like, nah, that's not happening

[00:09:09] in New York state. Like wherever you want to do it, it ain't happening here. And then I think word

[00:09:15] got out of this guy getting shot in the back and they're like, wait a minute. Nope. Nevermind.

[00:09:20] We were just joking about that. So they, they, by the end of the day, they're like, nah,

[00:09:24] we're not doing that anymore. The board decided it. And then the CEO was like, you know what?

[00:09:29] I'm thinking no, this might be a bad idea. So this is what got us all on the homemade weapon thing

[00:09:35] is he appears when he's shooting to either be like, I don't know if you guys have seen zip guns,

[00:09:42] but they usually have like a little charging handle where you kind of rack it back. And that's

[00:09:48] kind of how it looks that this guy is, is taking it to go and do it. Cause he's like pulling it back.

[00:09:54] Now here's the thing. I've actually used suppressed weapons and suppressed handguns. And when you use

[00:10:03] suppressed weapons, the big thing is you want to use subsonic ammo, right? And the thing is with

[00:10:09] subsonic ammo, it obviously it just has a little bit less gunpowder makes it not go quite as fast.

[00:10:15] The thing is with subsonic ammo is your gun is set up for the proper amount of gunpowder,

[00:10:22] right? So when you have the proper amount of gunpowder, it pulls the slide back far enough

[00:10:29] that it resets, it ejects the round and it resets everything. When you use subsonic ammo,

[00:10:36] it has less propulsion, right? Comes back not quite as far and it doesn't. Cause thing is you set up a

[00:10:44] gun perfectly to work with the ammo that you use because otherwise you get like a jerking and it kind

[00:10:49] pulls you off for your next shot and that kind of thing. They don't want it overcharged kind of thing

[00:10:55] so that it kind of jerks you around. So that's why you kind of tune everything properly. And so that's

[00:11:02] one theory is that this guy is using subsonic ammo to use with the suppressor. Also the suppressor

[00:11:09] changes the back pressure that comes through the gun and again can affect it. But the combination of the

[00:11:15] two, I've actually used subsonic ammo in a handgun and had it not charged. Now I was able to set the gun

[00:11:22] up to work with that, but that's not always a, you know, it's something you have to take action and

[00:11:30] do. And it's a big deal. Um, you know, if you're firing, yeah, subsonic ammo through pistol with,

[00:11:37] with a suppressor, is that significantly less noise than an unsuppressed weapon without subsonic?

[00:11:46] Yes. So I like, absolutely. If I was on your front porch with the front door closed and I was shooting

[00:11:57] subsonic ammo with a suppressor and you were sitting on the couch in the house, you probably wouldn't hear

[00:12:07] that's, that's about what I got. Now, if you were outside with me and you were sitting on the porch,

[00:12:12] reading a book, you would hear it all day long. Um, that's, that's about what I could give you on

[00:12:18] that. I think you're in the 25 to 30 decibel range. Um, I know that doesn't mean a lot to people,

[00:12:27] but it just, yeah, that's what I got on that. So that's one scenario of why he had to keep doing

[00:12:33] that. So, you know, you would just then cycle the action, you know, you'd pull the top half of the gun

[00:12:38] back and it would reset. And that could be what he's doing and why this guy had to keep shooting

[00:12:43] on the flip side of that, a homemade zip gun is usually meant to now they do have them with like

[00:12:52] magazines that'll keep feeding with a spring sometimes. And what they do is they have to

[00:12:59] keep resetting it by pulling back the charging handle. It just ends up the whole process of

[00:13:05] resetting a gun. It takes some mechanical effort and a zip gun. The whole kind of point of that is to be

[00:13:15] simple and easy. Now they have those zip gun machine guns. They used to do back in the day

[00:13:20] that were pretty slick that they did all that. So, I mean, you know, you can point out, well, that's,

[00:13:25] that's this exception is totally different than what you're saying. True. I understand that. But

[00:13:32] so that's where we're at on that. So I would say 50, but I kind of think it was the subsonic ammo,

[00:13:39] but there's definitely a possibility that it's a zip gun. And my guess is if he's in New York,

[00:13:44] he probably did make us the suppressor. Cause if you really don't care about the rules,

[00:13:49] you can do whatever you want. Turns out. And it turns out it's not really difficult to

[00:13:54] make a suppressor, you know, not like a complicated process that you need, like a, you know, a serious

[00:14:00] machine shop. You can do it in your basement with a couple of, you know, you know, with a,

[00:14:04] with a welder and a fucking drill press, you know, but I don't know. It, it did seem to me that he,

[00:14:12] uh, he was expecting the jam to happen. Like he had fired this gun before and knew that that was going

[00:14:20] to happen. Now the British did make a handgun that is suppressed, that fires subsonic ammo that

[00:14:26] does not jam. There are, it definitely can be, but it's not like something that, you know,

[00:14:32] you can find easily or inexpensively or even buy in, you know, without a, without a specific.

[00:14:39] So I've seen those movies and he just, and it was like pew pew. Right. And that you barely hear it.

[00:14:45] Um, the big thing, like people are like, Ooh, a 22, you know, that's, that's hardly a bullet. Well,

[00:14:51] that's kind of, it, it turns out you can kill people with a 22 and that that's pretty common easily.

[00:14:56] And one of the, one of the people that I heard multiple shots. Yeah. Yeah. One of the

[00:15:01] people I saw, one of the fucking idiots that doesn't know what they're talking about,

[00:15:05] but they asked him questions anyway, said that you could tell it wasn't a professional hit

[00:15:10] because if it was, it would have been a 22 and it would have been right behind the ear and it

[00:15:14] would have just been one shot. Yeah. Kevin, that's the dumbest shit I ever heard in my life.

[00:15:19] That's not, you know, yes, there have been professionals that have killed people that way,

[00:15:23] but that's not the only way that it ever happens. You know?

[00:15:27] No, I actually have a joke about one shot. Um, you know, assassins. I mean, I, I, I'd be happy to

[00:15:35] share it with you. So this guy goes into a bar and he hears about this assassin and he,

[00:15:41] he's, he does, uh, he charges $10,000 a shot and he goes into the bar and he's like, Hey man, I hear,

[00:15:47] uh, you know, you're an assassin and you could maybe help me out. And the guy's like, he's like,

[00:15:53] but I just have a question. He goes, you say 10,000 a shot, but do you ever miss? I mean,

[00:15:57] is it going to cost me more or what's going on here? Nope. I never miss. Um, it dead, dead shot.

[00:16:04] No problem. And guy's like, well, this is great. He goes, cause you know, my ex-wife or my wife is

[00:16:10] cheating on me and she's down at the hotel right now with the guy. And, and I'd love for you to,

[00:16:18] you know, take care of this for me. And the guy's like, yeah, let's go. Let's get in the car. We'll

[00:16:22] go right over now. They, they drive over and, and go down and the guy, and they're looking through

[00:16:27] binoculars into the hotel window from across the street. And guy's like, yeah, he goes, well,

[00:16:33] I want you to shoot my wife in the head, take her out. And I want you to shoot that guy's dick off.

[00:16:39] Guy looks through and he's like, all right, man, do it. And the guy's waiting and he's like, well,

[00:16:43] hold on. And the guy's like, well, come on, let's do it. And he's like, no, hold on a minute.

[00:16:48] And he's like, what? He goes, well, if you just wait one second, I think I can save you 10,000 bucks.

[00:16:55] Oh, that's fucked up. Sorry. I've been saving that one. That was like, I was, you know,

[00:17:02] priceless. I was like, how can I work this in? And there it is, you know, just like that.

[00:17:07] There you go. Anyway. Um, there was actually another recent attack with a, with a definite

[00:17:13] homemade weapon. And that was over in Japan. Also very strict, you know, gun laws and, uh,

[00:17:20] and, and not much going on there. And this was in 2022. So not that long ago,

[00:17:25] the Japanese prime prime minister Shinzo Abe was Shinzo Abe. I don't speak Japanese, Kevin.

[00:17:36] You can't. And I got a whole list of Japanese names. I'm going to have to try and try and sound

[00:17:41] out later on. Oh Lord. All right. What do you got? The homemade gun here. You see it fall into

[00:17:47] the ground. Okay. Um, it looked kind of like a double barrel, like a sawed off shotgun or something,

[00:17:54] right? Yeah. They said it was similar looking to a, uh, uh, uh, sawed off shotgun. It's kind of

[00:17:59] like a pistol with two pipes to the top of it and wrapped with electrical tape. It was kind of.

[00:18:05] Now the website said it was actually capable of firing six bullets at the same time. Now I don't know

[00:18:13] how that works out. I don't know. You know, I, I really looked for pictures of the gun,

[00:18:19] like really look for like how it was made and that sort of stuff. And really we have almost

[00:18:24] nothing on it. It looks like there's a lot of electrical tape on it. Like half the gun is,

[00:18:30] is taped together.

[00:18:31] Do we even know any deep like reason behind it? They just tired of the, the Japanese are

[00:18:37] tired of the long work week. That's what it is. Right. They were like 40 hour work week.

[00:18:41] Is that what?

[00:18:42] No, I actually, uh, I've read about it and, uh, this guy, uh, Tetsuya Yamagami. Sure.

[00:18:49] That, that was the assassin's name. Okay. Uh, his, his mother was really involved in this,

[00:18:56] uh, church, I guess you would say maybe it's a cult. I don't know, but she was really involved

[00:19:01] in it and they had a lot of money. The family did. And she gave all of the money to the church.

[00:19:07] Oh, bankrupted the family. This guy, uh, Shinzo Abe was like a personal friend of that church,

[00:19:17] you know, the, the head of the organizations. Okay. So he was feeling a certain kind of way about it.

[00:19:26] So that's why he shot him because, because his involvement with this church.

[00:19:31] No. That wasn't the first former prime minister in Japan that was assassinated. Um, if you look at

[00:19:40] like Japanese history, especially the last hundred years, assassination is like, it's not a safe job.

[00:19:44] It's almost like politics and assassination is like a, you know, they go hand. Um, but the one I'm

[00:19:52] thinking of here is the February 26th incident. Oh, which happened in, uh, 1932. And, uh,

[00:20:00] it was basically a coup d'etat. Oh, so they, uh, basically, um, they tried to take over the

[00:20:07] government and they assassinated, uh, Siatu Makoto and Takashi, uh, Kouriko, Kourikyo. I don't know.

[00:20:16] So those were both former prime ministers, not, I would say not a great job to have,

[00:20:24] you know, if I was Japanese, you know, being prime minister seems to be safe, but once you

[00:20:30] retire from being prime minister, like it's after the fact, yeah, it's after the fact they get you.

[00:20:36] Well, that's it. They probably cut down the security, not like, you know, in America where

[00:20:40] we got you forever, but even so your security thins out, you know, it's not the same.

[00:20:45] Right.

[00:20:45] You know, um, now one of the things you said, his weapon could possibly fire six rounds at the same

[00:20:52] time. Right. There is, there was a, uh, like a shell that you could buy for like the little

[00:20:59] grenade launchers, the 37 millimeter rocket launchers that they sell. And those are actually

[00:21:04] legal for people to buy. A lot of times you see them, uh, you'll see like SWAT teams or something

[00:21:11] with gas canisters or riot control. And they have like a riot gun that'll have like six canisters

[00:21:18] in like a barrel, things like that. Or you can find single shot ones. They make one that actually

[00:21:23] mounts to the bottom of your AR 15 that you can do on there, have an extra thing. Well, they had a

[00:21:29] round called the, uh, the hornet's nest. And this thing would hold 18, uh, 22 long rifle rounds.

[00:21:40] You can put it in there. You can still buy these, but they're expensive. They're like 425 bucks,

[00:21:45] which to me is ridiculous. Um, but don't worry. There is a company that makes them for 99 bucks.

[00:21:54] Cause I was like, I've seen these for like 75 bucks. What's going on. And I searched it out and it's,

[00:21:59] it's not called the hornet's nest, but if you search it, you'll find it. But it was like the B,

[00:22:04] the B master or something, whatever. But bottom line, they do make one for about seven for 99 bucks.

[00:22:13] That does seem to be in stock now that you can do that. Basically you load it in there and it

[00:22:18] shoots that one shoots 15 rounds at once a 22 long rifle. So that's kind of neat. Um, another thing.

[00:22:26] So the standard basically, if you make your own gun and it, I guess you'd call it single action.

[00:22:34] Like you have to cock it every time to fire it. Um, they call it a zip gun. And basically if you

[00:22:43] imagine it's basically a spring and a slide and you pull it back and a firing pin hits the,

[00:22:51] the thing, I mean, that's how a gun works. It's not any new information here, but it, that's,

[00:22:59] that's what a zip gun is. And then they shoot around and people make those, they'll make them

[00:23:04] out of like a pen in prison. Now you're a little plastic sleeved pen, probably not going to hold up

[00:23:11] and do that. You probably just shoot your fingers off. But, and the thing is you have to find a

[00:23:16] bullet. And I feel like if I'm in prison, where am I getting these bullets? But I guess it's easier

[00:23:22] to bring in a bullet than it is to bring in a whole, you know, uh, a whole gun. Right. I mean,

[00:23:29] that sounds right. Um, I don't know. I feel like, I feel like there's enough space in your butt.

[00:23:36] Yeah. You can do it.

[00:23:37] Several rounds.

[00:23:40] They spread those cheeks. Are they going to just start dropping out?

[00:23:43] They say if you, if when they ask you to squat and cough, they said anything up there is going

[00:23:48] to come out. That's the rule. I don't, I don't, I've never checked people's buttholes. So I don't,

[00:23:53] you know, I don't have any direct experience with this.

[00:23:56] Maybe if things aren't as clean as they should be, there's a little something holding it. I,

[00:24:00] I don't know. Um, yeah. So there's a lot of different, you know, ways that people have done

[00:24:06] it. I've seen one with a break line actually, and they have just kind of a flared break line.

[00:24:12] And apparently 22 fits right in there with a five sixteenths break line. That that's what I've

[00:24:17] seen in a movie. Maybe, um, there are different things. Like I said, they use like a bolt for,

[00:24:24] you know, the little grab thing on a charging handle, uh, different things. Now, one of the

[00:24:30] more unique things that I've seen people come up with is they had a, uh, prison situation where

[00:24:40] they were, they kept having a big run on coffee and they were like, why are we selling twice the

[00:24:47] amount of coffee or not selling? I guess, putting out serving twice the amount of coffee is normal.

[00:24:51] We're just going through it so quickly. And cause I guess maybe they make the pot and they could

[00:24:57] leave it to the next shift and then whatever. And so they keep being empty and they, they keep going

[00:25:04] through coffee. And what they realized was the prisoners were trying to get the coffee mate

[00:25:10] and the little powder that they have. Cause you had that powder coffee creamer.

[00:25:15] Right. And turns out that's flammable and they actually were like, well, we're not sure that's

[00:25:22] really true. That sounds made up. They actually did it on myth busters and turns out it is quite

[00:25:31] flammable. So what they were doing is actually making a flammable, a flamethrower. And I think

[00:25:37] it would work like basically like a blow gun. And if you think of something like that, but having a

[00:25:44] decent amount of coffee creamer and when I was kind of searching it out for pictures, turns out,

[00:25:51] remember that website instructables where they tell you how to make your own bow and arrow or whatever.

[00:25:57] Turns out you can make a, uh, like coffee maker, a coffee creamer, a flamethrower. There's a thing.

[00:26:05] We can't show you how to do that kind of thing. Cause YouTube does not like when you show people

[00:26:10] how to make weapons, but instructables might be something you were looking at. If you want to,

[00:26:16] I mean, honestly, anything we talk about, we have to be kind of vague on certain things, but you can

[00:26:22] look this stuff up. It's not, it's not hard. You know, we'll never tell you how to make a bomb,

[00:26:27] but it ain't difficult either. Kevin, that's inappropriate. And I do have to point out at this

[00:26:32] point that we're not lawyers and this is not legal to advice that this show is for entertainment that

[00:26:41] we don't want you to, uh, I would also say, since I'm pointing out things that maybe you want to like

[00:26:48] and subscribe, maybe that's what you need to be doing. Why have you not hit the like button is what

[00:26:53] I'm asking. Just saying that might be something you're into. Um, yeah, I got one more assassination

[00:27:00] with, uh, Oh, homemade, homemade weapons related. Okay. Uh, it was an industrialist in the, uh, 18,

[00:27:09] 1860s, seventies. Um, he, uh, ran a steel mill and decided he could make more money if you cut

[00:27:17] everybody's pay and kicked them out. Kevin, that sounds right. Yeah. Well, he was making a little bit

[00:27:24] more money, but everybody decided to strike. Hmm. Don't want, you can't have strike workers.

[00:27:30] So he hired 300 guys from the Pinkerton. Yeah. Yup. Yup. Brought them all up on a ship on barges.

[00:27:39] They landed the barges and they just started beating the shit out of everybody. They killed,

[00:27:43] uh, 11, uh, strikers and five Pinkerton guys got killed. Uh, wasn't, wasn't too crazy,

[00:27:52] but it really upset somebody. So this guy, James Frisk was coming out of his office and somebody

[00:27:59] that had been pissed off about it came up to him and shot him twice. Oh, as far as I know,

[00:28:06] it was a handgun that was regular man manufactured, but he also had a, uh, a file that he had filed

[00:28:12] down into a knife. Oh, they were actually able to capture the guy. They put him in prison for 22 years.

[00:28:20] He got out. They were going to deport him. And then during his going away party,

[00:28:26] the assassins going away party. Yeah, sure. Uh, they found out that guy Frisk had died.

[00:28:32] You know, 22 years later, it wasn't related to him. It was this close to, uh, yeah. And he said

[00:28:37] out under the wire. Yeah. He said he, uh, he was getting deported, but God had deported James

[00:28:43] Fisk first. So that made him feel better. Okay. Ah, that's messed up, Kevin. A little messed up.

[00:28:51] Another thing that comes to mind when you think homemade weapons, the big thing people are like,

[00:28:57] you know, three quarter inch pipe is like a great size for a shotgun round. And I've heard rumors of

[00:29:03] people trying to rig up things like that. The big thing is you need a solid sleeve around,

[00:29:11] you know, people talk about like the noise makers in the woods and different things like that.

[00:29:16] And, Oh, well, you know, that you have the, uh, you know, they, they say they make them with blanks,

[00:29:22] but like I've seen even ones with like a mousetrap spring and things like that,

[00:29:27] that actuate a firing pin to, you know, make noise for, for a shotgun round. Well,

[00:29:35] the thing is that blast, if nothing's directing it and all you have is the plastic shell that holds it,

[00:29:44] the ammo is just going to kind of the, the bullet itself or the bullets, the little pep BBs,

[00:29:51] pellets, whatever, are just going to kind of spray and fall around. And it's not even usually directed.

[00:29:59] Right. Yeah. Cause thing is the explosion has nothing holding it to put the pressure behind the

[00:30:05] bullets. So they, the explosion kind of goes anywhere and obviously a little force is going

[00:30:13] to be applied to the bullets, but not the directed focus that you typically get. That's why they're not

[00:30:19] as worried. Like when you have ammo and your house catches on fire. Yes, there can be an explosion

[00:30:26] from it, but it's very rare that it's like shooting shrapnel. Cause it's not focused. Like the explosion

[00:30:33] just kind of blows the brass apart and the bullet yet moves, but it's not much more dangerous than,

[00:30:39] you know, the other stuff. That's one of the things I always worried about. I'm like,

[00:30:43] how do you store ammo? You know, the firefighters are going to be like, Nope, forget that house.

[00:30:48] Yeah. Ain't going in there. We know about Chuck. And, uh, but it's really not that bad cause it's

[00:30:54] not directed. So anything that you want to shoot a projectile when they make a gun, it actually has to

[00:31:02] have like a solid barrel. And again, how long that barrel is, is how long that directed energy is

[00:31:09] going to be applied behind the projectile. Right. Right. So that's what, you know, you have to think

[00:31:13] about. So that's why like a pistol is less accurate and less velocity than you get from a rifle

[00:31:21] because you only have so much, you know, behind it before that explodes into the air. Now also the

[00:31:28] longer it is, it's also going to help the noise and stuff dissipate as well. But obviously when you,

[00:31:36] they make a suppressor, it has like chambers for the gas to slowly dissipate. So it's not all at once.

[00:31:43] And then you're not as likely to get that crack and you know, but anyway,

[00:31:47] So what you're saying is it's a, it's a safe and fun prank when you're out camping to just throw a

[00:31:52] bunch of ammo into that fire pit. That is absolutely not what I said, Kevin, you know,

[00:31:59] the t-shirt is just coming where Kevin will get you killed. Um, that's not a safe prank. Oh, okay.

[00:32:07] Ha ha. Actually, I've heard, I've seen videos of like a soda can just really damaging people and getting

[00:32:17] pressure and just the little shards of aluminum. Right. Coming up and hurting people from being in

[00:32:22] a fire. It's crazy. It can really, uh, wreck some people. You know, they, you've seen the videos

[00:32:27] of where they throw a keg in the fire. That's not good either. I'd recommend that that's a no go.

[00:32:34] That's pretty fucking just putting things in a fire is usually a bad idea as a general.

[00:32:39] Everything pressurized in a fire. Yeah. So actually just, uh, yesterday up here, uh, Hunter got himself.

[00:32:48] Um, he was climbing up with it in his tree stand with his rifle that was loaded. That was cocked,

[00:32:55] like no safety on drop the rifle and it shot him in the arm. So, I mean, that, that does happen.

[00:33:03] And that's the thing, like I know, um, I don't know when I walk back to the woods,

[00:33:11] like the minute when I'm going hunting, cause all that stuff makes noise. Right.

[00:33:15] And you're like sneaking into your, your place to shoot. And so I know that I rack around

[00:33:22] before I like the second, either I'm on the back porch, depending how far away it is that

[00:33:28] I'm going shooting or sometimes even inside. And what I've also done just so I don't even have the

[00:33:34] noise of the door, I'll go out the front door of my house. I'll rack the round on the front porch.

[00:33:40] Then, I mean, it's more, I want the door noise on the front side instead of the back,

[00:33:45] not because of the racking the round, but then I'll walk back to the place where I shoot. And that's

[00:33:51] probably 400 yards, maybe 600 yards from my house. I don't live in New York, so we don't have all kinds

[00:34:00] of crazy rules like you guys might. Um, but I, uh, I kind of sneak back through and I'll rake the

[00:34:08] leaves and everything. So you're super quiet. Cause dude, every little bit, you know, makes,

[00:34:13] makes noise. And what I find is, so then I'll, I, so I'll have the safety on through all this.

[00:34:21] And then I climb up and get into position in my tree stand. And then right when I kind of have it

[00:34:27] pointed down range, then I click the safety off. Um, and, and then sit there with the safety off.

[00:34:34] And, and that's usually how I do it. So bottom line is I can appreciate why people,

[00:34:40] you know, could do that. I, you know, and some guns just don't have safeties and things like that,

[00:34:46] but you're always taking a risk and you have to kind of be aware of what you're doing. I was

[00:34:51] actually just one of the gun sites that I follow on Facebook had, uh, a meme today about a guy who

[00:34:58] put his handgun in his glove box. And he's like, I had the safety on, but when he shut the door,

[00:35:04] it must've hit whatever and enough that he ended up shooting through the firewall and into, he's like,

[00:35:14] I don't know what I hit, but there was coolant coming everywhere. And usually what it is, is the

[00:35:19] coolant, the heat, your heater in your car, they call it the heater core that uses the coolant from

[00:35:26] your engine. You're kind of getting rid of that heat in the coolant by having it as the heat in your

[00:35:34] car. And, you know, obviously it's air blowing against the coils filled with hot air or hot water,

[00:35:41] hot coolant. And then yeah, this paints. So anyway, he's like, I don't know what could have

[00:35:46] happened. And I'm like, yeah, I think I know what could have happened, but yeah. Um,

[00:35:52] yeah, it's a crazy world out there. So you do have to learn to kind of protect your things and

[00:35:56] whatever. But I just thought it was kind of neat throughout history. People have done a lot with,

[00:36:01] you know, making their own stuff. And, and I guess my point, what it all comes down to is

[00:36:07] people are always going to find a way, right? It really doesn't matter.

[00:36:12] I had a conversation with a, with a friend of mine. They're talking about like, well,

[00:36:16] I don't understand why they can't just ban all automatic weapons. Why can't they can't ban all

[00:36:20] guns? Why can't I'm like the fucking secrets app, bro. You know what I mean? You can make one in your

[00:36:25] basement. It's not like a complicated thing, a 3d printer. You could do that piece of pipe,

[00:36:30] a block of wood, a nail and a rubber band. I mean, it's not really complicated stuff.

[00:36:35] And that's it. And how many rounds you're shooting kind of affect the quality that you need,

[00:36:41] but it's still, you know, like I said, a pipe kind of lines up with a bullet. It,

[00:36:47] what are you going to do? You know, it's, it's one of those things that,

[00:36:50] you know, obviously the quality and effectiveness are, you know, but again,

[00:36:55] are you a precision kind of person? Do you do quality work when you're machining things?

[00:37:01] Then odds are you could probably make a pretty effective gun. You know, obviously that would

[00:37:06] be illegal to make your own guns. Now, if you give the government $200, you can make your own gun

[00:37:12] any way you want. You just have to say, Hey, I'm making a gun. Here it is. And, uh, and, and I mean,

[00:37:19] just, all you need to do is say, I'm going to make it this quality and this thing. If it's a handgun,

[00:37:25] I just can't really have a stock kind of thing on the back. You kind of do whatever with the barrel,

[00:37:30] presuming handguns are legal where you are. If it's a rifle, you got to have the barrel at least 16 inches

[00:37:37] side of that. There's not really too many rules. Obviously full auto would be a thing that would be

[00:37:42] wrong. Um, now again, you can buy the proper licensing for that and do that kind of thing. Um,

[00:37:48] I'm not sure you can make a machine gun for civilian. I don't know how that all works.

[00:37:58] You can make a machine gun because that there's a, so the bottom line is you get a manufacturer

[00:38:04] license. You get approved to deal in suppressors and whatever firearms, NFA items, right? That's

[00:38:13] what they call it. If you're approved to sell NFA items and approved to manufacture NFA items,

[00:38:20] like you're allowed to make a suppressor, you can make a full auto machine gun all day long,

[00:38:25] completely legal. You can't own it without extra precautions, but you can make it and you can keep

[00:38:33] it to sell. But if you got rid of your gun manufacturing business, you would then have to

[00:38:39] sell it or turn it over. These can be sold to law enforcement, military, that kind of thing. So,

[00:38:45] I mean, there are options out there for you. I considered going down such a road so I could

[00:38:50] build machine guns. It seemed like something I might be interested in, you know, to be able to

[00:38:54] help out law enforcement and like that. I mean, that's always my goal. And, uh, but it turns out

[00:39:00] they want a complete list of every firearm you own. And I just wasn't sure I'd be able to find

[00:39:06] enough pieces of paper. So to write it all down, it sounded complicated. My printers running low on

[00:39:14] ink. I just was like, eh, this doesn't sound good. And I just was like, nah, I don't think I can pull

[00:39:20] that off. So anyway, now if you go on Wikipedia and look up improvised firearms, yes, you can find all

[00:39:27] sorts of, uh, neat stuff people have made over the years, automatic weapons included. Um, really a lot

[00:39:33] of them were manufactured in France during world war two during, uh, by resistance members and they

[00:39:38] had some cool stuff. Um, but yeah, definitely, uh, definitely check it out. Also I should,

[00:39:44] should like point this out. Uh, if you are using a piece of pipe as a barrel of a gun,

[00:39:49] there's a good chance that pipe will blow apart in your hand and take off several of your fingers.

[00:39:55] Yes. In this case, thin to win doesn't always apply. It's actually the opposite of what you'd want to do.

[00:40:02] Um, but again, it depends what you're dealing with. Uh, but yeah, no, all that very dangerous.

[00:40:08] I was just talking about prisoners and revolutionaries. I'm not talking about

[00:40:14] the common every day. The gun store is great. They have all kinds of cool stuff. You guys should

[00:40:19] go down there and check it out. I recommend it to all my friends. So I'm just saying, I actually go to,

[00:40:25] there's a place called, uh, Perry's in Wendell, North Carolina. Very nice. Um, I know Palmetto

[00:40:31] State Armory will ship pretty much any cool thing to your local gun dealer. So you have options.

[00:40:37] So with that, I would say stay safe and we will talk to you guys next week.

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